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• Popping up everywhere (Score:2)

  by gnat (29) on 2004.08.06 11:43 (#33147) Journal

  This hasn't gone unnoticed elsewhere. I had dinner with a Java guy at OSCON and he said "I popped my head in on a few Perl talks, but they're very boring. They're discovering all the stuff that Java had years ago, and everyone's reimplementing it in a different way."

  --Nat

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  • Re:Popping up everywhere (Score:2)

    by ziggy (25)

    That knife cuts both ways. Java 1.5 is getting generics, which have been around since perl1. And don't get me started on inner classes. ;-)
  • Re:Popping up everywhere (Score:2)

    by Ovid (2709)

    Ask 'im about regexes. And tell 'em that we don't need no stinkin' autoboxing because we don't do that silly "primitives in an OO world" mess :)
  • Re:Popping up everywhere (Score:1)

    by perrin (4270)

    What he doesn't realize is that Perl has had them just as long. Tangram has been around for several years. What he is picking up on though is that Perl developers have traditionally been very skeptical about frameworks and abstractions like this, while Java developers embrace them. Java has paid for it too, with the resounding failure known as EJB. It was so bad that the upcoming EJB 3 spec basically scraps the old stuff in favor of a model copied from the (fairly recent) open source tool Hibernate. Hi
    • Re:Popping up everywhere (Score:2)

      by ziggy (25)

      That's actually quite interesting. Nat and I had a discussion about these issues about 4 years ago, from the opposite side of the fence.

      Given that Perl hackers avoid huge bloated object frameworks [archive.org], either something is wrong with us [archive.org], or something is wrong with those frameworks [archive.org].

      If Class::DBI and Hibernate are converging on a similar set of goals, and if EJB / AWT / Swing are being rejected by Java programmers en masse, then I'd say we really were onto something all those years ago.
      • Re:Popping up everywhere (Score:1)

        by tmtm (2563)

        > If Class::DBI and Hibernate are converging on a
        > similar set of goals...
        
        I've never encountered Hibernate before. I just had a look. It scared me.
        
        I can live with having SQL mixed with Perl. XML is just a step too far :)
        
        I have made a few notes on interesting ideas that might be worth stealing for Class::DBI though.
        
        Tony
  • Re:Popping up everywhere (Score:1)

    by chromatic (983)

    I like to think of JCP as a herd of elephant real estate speculators staking out claims in the ever-expanding frontier of The Core Libraries. No other image really captures the elegance, precision, simplicity, and unashamed piles of excreta in their wake.

    For fun, go to the JavaOne exhibit hall, yell out "I have a new API for controlling coconut-throwing monkeys", step back, and enjoy the stampede. If the 18-month standardization process doesn't produce a library that includes some sort of rocketry, I'll