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• Questions, Concerns, Complaints, oh my! (Score:1)

  by Alias (5735)

  A while back I speculated on the various proposals for a "CPAN Replacement" I saw and mentioned that it appeared to me that there was a lack of planning.
  
  Mark asked me to not comment on CPAN6 until after the release at YAPC::EU and gave me an early copy of the paper, and I've happily done so.
  
  But reading through the final version of the paper, some concerns remain.
  
  Without wanting to get too much into specifics, I was wondering how you plan to deal with this type of thing. I see a lot of detail on what your so
  • Re: (Score:1)

    by mugwumpjism (1871)

    I see a lot of detail on what your solution looks like, but not so much detail on things like the underlying reason for it's existance, use cases, constraints, assumptions, priorities, and so on and so forth.

    The "Emerging problems" section of the Global Design Document [cpan6.org] cover a lot of the shortcomings of the current CPAN. Also see the section "Projects" in the chapter "Pause6 Organization" for some more examples.

    How do you plan to deal with these sorts of issues ... and how willing are you to change
    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Alias (5735)

      The setup you have there makes it really hard...
      
      I'm already on a billion mailing lists, unless you plan to have it go onto nntp.perl.org I really don't want to be on two more.
      
      I don't know how I'm supposed to generate patches to a postscript file (why isn't everyhing just text or HTML) and in any case, I'm useless with patches, and so is Windows.
      
      Not to mention I can't actually read the postscript file on this system.
      
      OK, I may be bitching here, but if 90% of the computer users can't play nicely without projec
      • Re: (Score:2)

        by brian_d_foy (44)

        I agree with Adam. I'm not sure how you selected Jarkko and Adam to be the early reviewers of the paper, but it seems to me that Andreas might have something good to say, and that the current PAUSE admins might have had a lot of wisdom to add. My first inkling that anything was happening is when someone subscribed me to the CPAN6 mailing lists. I suppose that's a nice jesture, but no personal note accompanied the subscriptions, and I promptly unsubscribed. I don't do mailing lists. Put it on nntp.perl.org a
        • We have been consulting with people. (Score:1)

          by mugwumpjism (1871) on 2006.09.09 4:28 (#49914) Homepage Journal

          I'm not sure how you selected Jarkko and Adam to be the early reviewers of the paper, but it seems to me that Andreas might have something good to say,

          Mark has been in contact with Andreas along the way.

          ... and that the current PAUSE admins might have had a lot of wisdom to add.

          We basically sent it to the people who asked for it. We have taken the initial design, subjected it to review and now we are asking the wider community for input. There's no point in releasing something before it is ready, it just spreads too much disinformation. Please consider it a matter of politeness of not giving you something until it was something like ready, rather than a young undeveloped brainfart.

          Put it on nntp.perl.org and then I can deal with it.

          That is a shame. There was an offer to move it to 'perl6-cpan' on lists.cpan.org; but that's not right, either - this project is not specifically perl6 related, it just came from the requirements of perl6. So therefore it does not fit under the perl6- space. I hope once this impasse is resolved through early discussions that we can move it there and get your input, too.

          The only thing we really need right now is a way to store distributions in a file system so that the kooky Perl 6 module selection (with author, version, and source) can work. I didn't see anything about that.

          Excellent, you are describing the cpan6 part in a nutshell, though we are also adding auditing and cryptography.

          Once we can store things, we can build things on top of that.

          Yes, that is the idea - the core cpan6 network distributes releases, and this is a logical layer for tools like pause6 to provide CPAN- and PAUSE-like services atop of.

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