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  • According to the excellent YSlow plugin [yahoo.com] for Firefox, about 900K of that is uncompressed YUI javascript. There's no excuse for that -- the raw YUI libraries are very well documented, which is pointless for a production website. I use scriptaculous [aculo.us] and prototype.js [prototypejs.org] for my own work and I use yuicompressor [yahoo.com] to squish my JS and then gzip it. Gzipped content works smoothly on all browsers except Safari.

    To make it work with Safari too, you have name your file .jsgz instead of .js.gz and then do the following in
    • More to the point, does ANY of that shit get used on the front page?

      If not, and they are just there for caching purposes, the script tags can be moved down to the end of the page just before the so that the page renders FIRST and doesn't block while it pulls the JavaScript to cache it.
      • When I complained about the horrendously long load times due to Javascript [perl.org], pudge nitpicked my whatever it was about how I complained about it, basically told me I have no idea what I am talking about, and refused to engage the question on technical grounds to any extent whatsoever. Maybe if the complaint comes from someone he doesn’t personally dislike, he’ll actually manage to listen.

        • Nope. Nitpicking is just what Pudge enjoys doing, and he's really good at it, for what that's worth. As he unfortunately "runs this place," we just have to STFU and deal with Teh Slowness.
          • Or fork it and run your own!
            • I'm sure tons of people would love that but are scared off by the tons of mindshare that use.perl has accumulated over the years.

              • Well, you know, with the so-called 'community' and its pool of people if not dwindling then certainly stagnating having five 'forks' of the same shit simply because someone needed to jerk themselves off so they could either have their own or just to shit on someone elses' stuff, you'd think somone would get a fucking clue that maybe it's not all that productive.
                • It's so nice to know that you're always right behind every volunteer with a "Thank you!" You are truly the kind, generous, sweet role model you've always said the Perl community needed.

                  • by hfb (74) on 2008.04.29 12:50 (#62473) Homepage Journal
                    I don't have to be the effusive lavisher of praise to note the pathological egotism that prevails with those who, when they either don't get their way or want something of their own, decide to fragment that which already exists. I don't know if I'd call it a community so much as a collection of mutually self-interested egotists. There's plenty I don't really like about the look and feel of use.perl, but it does the job its supposed to and I respect the time, energy and resources that Pudge has invested in it.

                    You're just sore that the ultimate fork of a pre-existing fork, P6, remains the best thing that ever happened to P5. :)

                    The way things are these days, it makes me think wisfully of the kind and gentle days of TChrist and Ilya.

                    • I don't have to be the effusive lavisher of praise...

                      In ten years, the only thing I've ever read from you online that resembled praise was "... it does the job its supposed to and I respect the time, energy and resources that Pudge has invested in it," and that was thirty seconds ago. Maybe I've missed the kindness, sweetness, and light that you spread everywhere I'm not, but I really think that much of the meanness, bitterness, and cynicism you find in the Perl community is exactly what you spread co

                    • I don't know if I'd call it a community so much as a collection of mutually self-interested egotists.

                      Works for me. That's my definition of community. Why should I be interested in people who don't even find themselves interesting?

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                      J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
                    • Honey, I've not even been around for much of the better part of three years...really even longer than that. Do you spend your days browsing the archives? :) And I don't think I've seen you do too much other than whine about how nobody gushes over the P6 cabal. I can't think of anyone who can say they should be first to cast stones on the lack of sweetness and light.

                      I'm not mary poppins, I've never claimed to be either. My role to play for the most part, as Gnat so astutely noted once, was to be the one to

                    • And I don’t think I’ve seen you do too much other than whine about how nobody gushes over the P6 cabal.

                      Look harder.

                      to be the one to say what nobody else will.

                      Just because things that deserve saying go unsaid does not mean that everything that goes unsaid deserves saying.

                      Some dead guy who was very astute too once said “be the change you want to see in the world.” It might be gratifying to barge in at random times and berate people (for things that, by your own admission, yo

                    • And I don't think I've seen you do too much other than whine about how nobody gushes over the P6 cabal.

                      If you really cared (and I have no illusion that you do), you could find out exactly what I've done in the past three years, including hundreds of commits, dozens of articles, countless answers to questions on mailing lists, hundreds of messages to mailing lists, a double handful of patches to Perl 5, maybe a dozen public talks, a couple of books, technical edits of several books, three or four release

                    • "No, you’re just the … person … who is always there, ready to tell whomever that their desire for something better sucks and they should sit down and shut up."

                      I'm not always here but it frequently bothers me to see that things never change. It's more than a desire for 'something better' as that's a subjective guage and a frequent pedestal from which so many incursions are begun. I mean, nobody is going to be dumb enough to be honest about these things

                    • "If you really cared (and I have no illusion that you do), you could find out exactly what I've done in the past three years, including hundreds of commits, dozens of articles, countless answers to questions on mailing lists, hundreds of messages to mailing lists, a double handful of patches to Perl 5, maybe a dozen public talks, a couple of books, technical edits of several books, three or four releases of Parrot, the minutes of almost every Perl 6 design meeting, and, yes, a couple of dozen rants and comp

                    • So I am to understand that Adam asking whether a one-megabyte front page is reasonable to inflict on visitors was politically motivated?

                    • Please don't drag me into this flamewar.

                      It's got nothing whatsoever to do with my actual post any more.
                    • Maybe hfb measure accomplishment in lines of code written times number of times user programs caused said lines to be executed (maybe times amount of time saved by said users). Or perhaps in words of explanation given times size of audience for said explanation (again maybe times time saved).

                      Clearly there are other measures, but "I wrote a lot of code" and "I produced a lot of mailing list traffic" miss a lot of the picture.

                    • I always respected the forkers a lot more, myself. They were definitely a step above the people who whined and whined and whined about how things should go and what everybody else should do.

                      (Please don't misread that to be in any way about you. I've only met you once and don't have you in mind at all; I'm thinking back to the participation I had in the early days of Perl 6; a participation which was a near-complete waste of time, not because Perl 6 was a bad idea, but because I was 100% unqualified for

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                      J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers