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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • I have given in the past, and I will give again this time. And I demand no extra (and costly) accountability.

    I give first because for the last 9 years perl has made me happy to be a programer. So I have already gotten a lot for what little money I have given to TPF. I have gotten Perl 5. And I make a living thanks to it. So if Larry wants to take my money and use it to buy pink paint because he believes that the sky should indeed be pink, then so be it. I don't go asking the stockholders at Adobe or Microso

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    mirod
    • So if Larry wants to take my money and use it to buy pink paint because he believes that the sky should indeed be pink, then so be it. I don't go asking the stockholders at Adobe or Microsoft what they do with the money I gave them.

      It seems there's some confusion here as to the manner in which people are being asked to donate. Customers of Adobe or Microsoft generally don't care what they do with the money. Investors certainly do, being as how they actually own the company.

      TPF isn't a commercial entit

      • Well, I don't think that TPF actually pays anyone, so I'd think that ALL of the money we donate goes to the grants. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

        And yes, I donate partly because I think Perl 6 will be very cool, and will allow me to keep on coding in Perl in the future, and being able to advocate its use even to companies, or departments, that insist on using a "proper" language, whatever that is. That would be "donating as an investor".

        But I also donate because I think that I have benefited tremendou

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        mirod
        • I don't think that TPF actually pays anyone, so I'd think that ALL of the money we donate goes to the grants. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

          This wasn't my understanding. I may, of course, be wrong. The bylaws certainly allow for it.

          so far Perl (1..6) has been developed without the constraining legal framework that a few posters seem to long for, and I am quite pleased with the results, so it seems to make sense to trust the people who got us to where we are now.

          The major differences is that we now have a legally incorporated entity asking for close to a half million dollars in extra funding.

          Anyone making those sorts of requests should expect to come under some scrutiny. And a cursory look at the TPF web site raises more questions than it answers: why are all the legal documents YAS, rather than TPF? Why are there no minutes since September 2000 (especially considering the wide ranging power of the Board)? Where are even the headline income / expense statments to date, rather than just "money raised in last 12 months"?

          A deeper look at the legal documents raises some even more awkward questions. The foundation provides personal indemnities (including legal fees) to all its officers (Article 7) - an indemification which survives death (7.10).

          All it takes is one death, an executor who decides to go after TPF/YAS, and a nasty legal battle can suck up a huge chunk of the funds. I've seen similar things happen.

          It was suggested earlier that it foolish to think that people would donate if there's a chuck of that money going to lawyers. That's probably true of a lot of people. But there's also another group of people who probably won't donate if there's not.

          And if TPF are hoping to raise more funds from corporations rather than individuals, then I think more of them are going to fall into the latter category than the former

          I don't want this to come across as negative towards the work that TPF is doing. I just believe that when we're talking about these sorts of amounts of money, then there needs to be a lot more transparency than there currently seems to be.