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  • I agree that the distinction "religion" is largely irrelevant; the problems comes in when something is excluded because it is labelled as such. In that case, you have to ask, what about this thing, aside from some arbitrary label, causes it to be excluded? Is it a belief in God, or a supernatural? Well, that's fairly arbitrary too. And showing that these distinctions are arbitrary usually doesn't go over to well; it's usually easier to just show that what you think isn't a religion is, than to show you
    • I find that accomodating specious concepts as if they were objective and valid does not do an effective job at pointing out that they are, in fact, specious. Unless you entertain them only to point out an internal contradiction, say.
      • Yes. However, sometimes the goal is not to point out that fact. Sometimes the goal is to coexist with your fellow man more peacefully.
        • I find peacefulness to be highly overrated when it excludes debate. "Well, let's just all get along!" is not quite "Let's get along -- even though we don't agree about something."

          I never liked peaceful coexistence for the sake of it. Seems pointless.

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          • by pudge (1) on 2002.01.25 10:59 (#3654) Homepage Journal
            I am not merely talking about debate. I am talking about "you think something I believe is evil, and that thought gets in the way while each of us is trying to make the world a better place, and I just want you to see that what I believe is not as evil as you think it is." Maybe that is peaceful coexistence for its own sake, if you consider being happy and social and attempting to improve the world for ourselves and others all as a component of it. In any event, better peaceful coexistence for its own sake than nonpeaceful coexistence or peaceful noncoexistence for no reason.
            • Could you give me a (possibly fictive) example of the sort of situation you're thinking of, where one person looks at another and thinks: "you think something I believe is evil, [...] and I just want you to see that what I believe is not as evil as you think it is." ?