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• What are the frameworks? (Score:1)

  by ajtaylor (1283)

  I know it's a bit OT here, but what are these useful Java frameworks? Hibernate? Springs?

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  • Re:What are the frameworks? (Score:1)

    by perrin (4270)

    Those, and other things like HiveMind, Struts, and Tapestry.
    • Re:What are the frameworks? (Score:2)

      by lachoy (1663) <chris.winters@gmail.com> on 2004.11.22 16:00 (#36222) Homepage Journal

      Struts is currently pretty crufty. I think the Struts-like stuff in Spring's webapp framework is adequate for most applications, and Spring is more actively developed and IMO much better designed. My 2c of course :-)

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      • Re:What are the frameworks? (Score:1)

        by perrin (4270)

        At this point, the interesting stuff is not Struts itself, but the additional things people build on it as extensions. Struts was always pretty obvious and about as innovative as dishwater, but people have done interesting things with taglibs, etc. on top of it.
        • Re:What are the frameworks? (Score:2)

          by lachoy (1663)

          I dunno, I think most of the useful Struts taglibs have been replicated better, and without all the confusing names, in JSTL. But you're right that because it's been the defacto webapp framework for a while (evidenced by all the books) there's some useful stuff built on top of it.
          • Re:What are the frameworks? (Score:1)

            by perrin (4270)

            Have you ever played with Tapestry? I'm deeply suspicious of anything that tries to hide the realities of HTTP, but it does sound neat.
            • Re:What are the frameworks? (Score:2)

              by lachoy (1663)

              I looked at it a while ago (~2 years) and the docs weren't where they are now. I share your suspicions about frameworks like this (see also: JSF), although the author [howardlewisship.com] is pretty sharp and Tapestry has the benefit of its core being written and evolved by a guy rather than a standards committee. HiveMind looks useful as well but I'm already hooked on Spring as a container.