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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • First point:

    You don't like Perl 6.

    You did not involve yourself in that project.

    You don't like what others have done.

    You have some weird ideas on how community projects work: you think that there's a cabal that controls the project. Well, you may call it a cabal, but anyone can join. You just have to write some idea in the mailing lists, or talk on the IRC channels, or submit a patch to the code or the documentation.

    If you have an interest in the outcome of the project, you don't ignore it for 12 years and t
    • Shane may be entitled to rejecting my comments, but he is definitely not entitled to editing them. It may be his blog, but it's my content - and my ideas. Misrepresenting my ideas on purpose is a violent act.

      I can tell you are confused. You are asking all the wrong questions. The real question is: why did we let this bunch of crazy people drive perl directly to the garbage? You don't care that it's become a joke? Interesting.

      You, as member of the perl community, are also responsible for it. Take some resp

      • In your original blog post, you said that chromatic had not approved your posts.

        In your comment above, you say he edited them.

        You also said you wanted a coherent conversation. It sounds like, right now, you're really upset and are having problems putting one together.

        If you have a beef with him, why not put together a clear, well-written post with what he did, with links to the topics.

        If, on the other hand, you're just mad and want to get even for him not approving your posts, I think you should chill. No

        • I believe there also seems to be a larger issue: Perl developers in general are not used to discussion. We are not used to having someone question our community leaders; we are not used to discussion - we are used to incoherent "state of the onion" addresses and absolutely no accountability.

          So, I understand that my comments might come as a shock, but believe me, these guys have been making a mess with what used to be a vibrant community - because we didn't follow them more closely. And every time things seem to have calmed down, they bring me back into their discussion by absolutely ignoring issues that everybody knows are there (yes, perl does look like line noise, and yes, it is in most cases a write-only language - and perl 6 will only make things much worse)

          As a second point, the fact that my first language is not English and that my background is not Anglo-Saxon may make my posts a bit difficult to follow - or you might get the sense that I'm being aggressive. I am used to passionate discussions, and I have absolutely no fear in saying what I think, especially when we are talking about sacred cows. I feel exactly zero respect for any of the perl devels by that merit alone - I respect people for being kind human beings, not for making some random programs - and I'm repulsed by fandom

          That probably explains why you think I am upset.