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  • by ziggy (25) on 2003.02.14 10:12 (#17039) Journal
    I didn't really want to respond to this. But I can't stand to see these assertions sit unchallenged.

    First, s/isreal/israel/ig;. Please. It's a pet peeve of mine too.

    If our governments really wanted peace in the middle east and to remove the causes of terrorism we would be going to war with isreal instead of iraq.
    A statement like this shows you have absolutely no understanding of the last hundred years of history in the Middle East region. The problem isn't presence of a few Jews in the third holiest shrine in Islam. It isn't the unfair oppression of some arabs without a homeland. It's that there are western infidels making a home in the region. If it wasn't the "Zionists in Israel", someone else would be the great satan. If it wasn't the atrocities committed against the Palestinians, it would be the attrocities commited against someone else, somewhere else.
    Isreal has a long history of illegal military actions, massacres, genocide and its own apartheid system that makes 50's south africa look positively liberal.
    Oh, and bombing and gasing an already oppressed Kurdish minority is somehow morally justifiable? Have you ever met a Kurd?
    Its a kafka-esque nightmare where palestinians are detained without charge, or trial and with no evidence.
    If that's the basis of your rationale for bombing Israel, why doesn't someone just declare war on the greater part of South America, Africa, and Asia?

    The rights promised by the US Constitution are by no means universal. Canada does not have a right to free speech. Should the enlightened nations of the world embargo Canada's trade until they see the light?

    If this is a kafka-esque nightmare to you, then you must be living in some alternate reality where the US has annexed the entire world, and guaranteed a basic right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to every person on this planet. Protest all you want, but there is no reason why Israel, Iraq or Tahiti needs to provide a swift, speedy and fair trial by jury so the accused can face his accusers.

    • Yes there will always be some extremists but by removing the fuel from terrorism (which is oppression, poverty and desperation) it will be reduced to a more managable level and policable locally instead of with heavy handing rocket and missile attacks.

      There are plenty of extremists and terrorists around the world that are not linked to the middle east - the ETA of basque, the Loyalist and Republican Terror Groups in Ireland, Nazi's and Fascists in the US, UK and Europe as well as the terror groups involve

      --

      @JAPH = qw(Hacker Perl Another Just);
      print reverse @JAPH;
      • My Point in case it wasn't immediately obvious is that there is less of a reason to bomb iraq than israel.

        Your point is neither obvious, nor clear, nor well thought out. It is certainly not justified nor is it well argued.

        The basis for bombing Isreal *before* Iraq is that it would bring peace sooner if that was what the UN really wanted.

        You provide no justification for this stance. You also fail to prove that bombing Israel would do anything to further the cause of world peace. If anything, it

        • Isreal has breached UN resolutions, deliberately killed and starved palestinians and hundreds of thousands of refugees in 30 years of ethnic cleansing. This is the same justification that NATO used to bomb Kosovo.

          The point is obvious - Iraq is just another dictatorship along with N Korea, Burma, China, etc. Isreal is a real danger to peace in the middle east and world wide.

          If we are going to bomb a country for being a despotic regime we should bomb china, Zimbabwe, Burma and many other equally appalling

          --

          @JAPH = qw(Hacker Perl Another Just);
          print reverse @JAPH;
    • If this is a kafka-esque nightmare to you, then you must be living in some alternate reality where the US has annexed the entire world, and guaranteed a basic right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to every person on this planet.

      Hey, ziggy, you might want to try that line when the US stops detaining people without charge or trial and with no evidence...

      • Hey, ziggy, you might want to try that line when the US stops detaining people without charge or trial and with no evidence...

        Touche, but I still stand by my point. Moral outrage that some nation or locale does not uphold the US Constitution is not a reason to start lobbing bombs in their general direction. It's irrelevant whether that regime is the Israeli government, the Iraqi government, the Detroit Police department, the US government or the kingdom of Outer Foobaristan.

        War is serious business.