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  • Complaining hasn't worked. Period.

    Bouncing hasn't worked. Period.

    Now we're trying to remove the economy of spam, by making sure the user never sees the spam. I think hitting the Spammers in the wallet is the only place they're going to take any notice.
    • Now we're trying to remove the economy of spam, by making sure the user never sees the spam. I think hitting the Spammers in the wallet is the only place they're going to take any notice.
      I think Dan is making a different point. We're not significantly increasing the cost for the spammer. The cost to send spam is not directly related to the volume of spam sent. Therefore, savvy users are reducing the effectiveness of current spamming techniques, so the next step in the arms race is to increase the amount of spam sent, so that enough of it gets through to make it worthwhile for the spammer.
      • It's not the cost of sending spam I'm talking about. It's the return cost of spam. What the spammer's client gets out of spamming. If we can reduce that to zero (or as close to zero as possible) then the spammers exist no longer.

        Of course what we really need is a secure email protocol that validates the sender. Unfortunately SMTP is just too pandemic now to get that to happen.
        • It's not the cost of sending spam I'm talking about. It's the return cost of spam. What the spammer's client gets out of spamming. If we can reduce that to zero (or as close to zero as possible) then the spammers exist no longer.

          Yes, and what I think Dan has noticed is that when a few savvy users use spam-blockers, the return-on-spam cost decreases, but doesn't become zero (or near-zero). Therefore, the next result is to send more spam, since the incremental cost of sending out a few hundred or a few

          • I disagree.

            It takes expensive hardware to send a lot of spam. Diminishing returns means that they're going to either have to spend more on hardware and bandwidth to get out more spam, or they're going to go bust.

            Besides, I'm not sure I want to eliminate spam - I'd be out of a job ;-) Oh the internal conflicts!