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    • And in fact, the current attitude of the USA may actually pay in the short term, for the limited zone of Iraq; but, for a load of reasons, it's also creating more anti-americanism, more anti-semitism, and thus more terrorism...

    The article you quote is how Europe is growing more anti-American and more anti-Semetic.

    Are you seriously saying that terrorists are being bred in Europe? Do you know any Europeans who are going to suicide bomb Americans over this?

    I don't think the US is breeding more terrorists

    • Are you seriously saying that terrorists are being bred in Europe?Ever heard about Zacharias Moussaoui ?
        • Ever heard about Zacharias Moussaoui ?

        Yes, a Muslim of North African extraction. Sure, some Muslim extremists grow up in Europe. Those Muslim extremists are already convinced that the US must be destroyed and need no more motivation.

        To them, a war in Iraq is just a pretext to action, not their motivation. These people will not be satisfied until the whole world is converted to Islam at the point of a sword. Moussaoui's statements in open court are that Spain should be returned to Islamic rule and t [washtimes.com]

        • Zacharias Moussaoui doesn't come from nowhere. He is (strictly speaking) a french citizen with north african origins and a jewish forename, just like me, although I'm not a muslim. Thus, I think that I can understand a bit the process that turns a perfectly normal french citizen into a brainwashed fanatic soldier, ready to give his life for some religious sect. Moussaoui didn't grew up in the hate of jews. His parents were normal, honest, tolerant. I've seen his mother on TV explaining what's the jihad --
            • Zacharias Moussaoui doesn't come from nowhere. He is (strictly speaking) a french citizen with north african origins and a jewish forename, just like me, although I'm not a muslim.

            This reminds me of Salvidor Dali's quote "The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad."

            Oh my gosh! I just realized that I have a jewish forename! Had I been born in Europe, I guess I could have been a terrorist as well!

            • And this initial point is currently given (among others) by the US foreign policy.

            Among other, yes. I think, in Moussaoui's case, it is overwhelmingly to do with being a minority in a country, isolated by your fellow citizens by race, tradition and religion and listening to radical fundamentalist elements. North Africans in France suffer much higher unemployment, for some reason, than the population as a whole. I don't know what American Policy has to do with French unemployment patterns.

            Many terrorists, not all, but many are targets for recruitment because a feeling of hopelessness in their lives. I'd like to think that helping to liberate the peoples of Afghanistan and Iraq from brutal tyrannies can help relieve some of this hopelessness. The people of Iran are currently restless and are blaming their hopelessness on their religious leaders, a good sign.

            It seems to me that American foreign policy is currently addressing this hopelessness in other places. Under pressure from the US, Saudi Arabia [saudiinstitute.org] is working to reform their society. Kuwait is far more democratic and open than they once were.

            The US and it's allies defended innocent Muslims in Kosovo, which should have been beneficial to the view of Americans in the Muslim world, but I'm not sure that it helped.

            These are genocidal maniacs, bent on killing every Jew in the world and enslaving the rest of the world in a Taliban-like government. They don't seriously pay attention to foreign policy except as a prop.

            If they didn't have US foreign policy as a starting point to influence minds, they'd find some other reason to whip up hatred.

            I feel the US should base its foreign policy on what is right, regardless of how fundamentalist monsters may evaluate it. If we change our foreign policy because what terrorists might do with it, in this case, influence minds, aren't we allowing the terrorists to win? What will they have us change next? The dress of our Women? The fact that we don't bow to Mecca five times a day? What?