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  • Is it just me, or does this sound like a professional swindle?

    "We're almost done with a project that needs just a small cash infusion and mankind everywhere will reap the benefits. We have little (or nothing) to show for 5 years of work but if you trust us -- and send us cash -- we'll come up with something quickly. Please make your checks payable in Nigerian funds..."

    Autrijus seems to have cobbled together much of Perl 6 in a couple of weeks. Shouldn't we rather send money to an inspired hacker like t

    • Autrijus seems to have cobbled together much of Perl 6 in a couple of weeks

      From nothing? No. From these [perl.org] and these [perl.org] which is part of what has been produced over the past few years. So your We have little (or nothing) to show for 5 years of work is untrue.

      There's no indication of how much they're trying to raise

      I see 12 amounts of $35000. That's a pretty good indication, surely?

      What if they don't hit their target of $35k for each module?

      They're milestones. You can't start the later ones until you finish

      • In spite of the harsh words, Mr. No Free Lunch might not be so 'confused' if anyone from behind the magic curtain ever communicated in a clear, concise way what is going on. There hasn't been an Apoc in over a year so, even for those keeping score, it does give you pause as to why there is suddenly all this excitement, especially after seeing what a bright guy can do in 2 weeks.

        Last time there was a push for funds it was two years back then, too. When there is nothing but the 'with us or against us' kind

        • And 12 x 35k is $1.23 MILLION DOLLARS.

          I believe that there is an error in your maths.

          perl -le 'print 12*35000'
          420000
          • That's what I get for making purl do the math. Even so, the questions remain. Is it worth $420,000?
            • "Second-system syndrome done right", Larry says. To me that's the better justification one can propose. The goal is not to develop (incrementally, as always) a cool new language, but to come up with a fully working, fast and mature implementation, built on the experience of the previous Perls, and able to handle migration from Perl 5 legacy.

              (Maybe outsourcing to some Asian country could help to cut costs:)

              • Re:$420000 (Score:1)

                by modred (49) on 2005.02.15 7:07 (#38248) Journal
                Is it really? C2.com paraphrases Brooks in "The general tendency is to over-design the second system, using all the ideas and frills that were cautiously sidetracked on the first one." and to me that sums up Perl 6 in a nutshell.
                • I'll quote, so there's no misunderstanding that Perl 6 is a second-system gone haywire. From the Mythical Man Month:

                  Adde parvum parvo magnus acervus erit. [Add little to little and there will be a big pile.] -- Ovid

                  [...] Self-Discipline - the Second System Effect

                  An architect's first work is apt to be spare and clean. He knows he doesn't know what he's doing, so he does it carefully and with great restraint.

                  As he designs his first work, frill after fill and embellishment after embellishment occur

                  • Where does the fact that there have been four previous second systems of Perl fit into that picture?

                    • I quit reading for content after the claim that Rafael couldn't possibly believe what he wrote. Then I went back and reread FOR AMUSEMENT!

                  • For those reading this thread: In case it's not blatantly clear, the "Ovid" referred to here is the poet Publius Ovidius Naso, not me.

                    And given that I have been paying attention to the development of Perl 6 and have a decent idea where they stand, I'm quite pleased with how things are going, though I confess they're taking longer than many suspected. Of course, if MTanstaafl wishes to sit on the outside looking in and lob stones, that's his right, even if he's wrong.

                • perl5 was the second system. Ands it sucks. The price for references and objects was a complete loss of integrity, be it semantic or syntactical.

                  I loved Perl4. I understand why Perl5 is what it is but I can't hardly recommand it to the newcomer when Python and Ruby don't carry all the historical baggage that Perl5 has.

                  Perl5 was a total rewrite, but it was bound by the decisions made for the first one that was intended only as a better awk.

                  That's why Larry takes so much time with Perl6. He wants a lan

                  • Whether or not to even attempt Perl 6 wasn't my original point -- simply the shady financing of TPF, and throwing money down the Perl 6 Hole -- but you've touched something.

                    Better be right than right now.

                    There is a tipping point for all things, when the need to produce something with all of the features you want is surpassed by the need of actually producing a usable product.

                    For example, the Pony Express is romanticised and fondly thought of, but failure. Not because it wasn't financially sound or wa

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