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  • Huh. You sound an awful lot like rindolf. http://use.perl.org/~Shlomi+Fish/journal/24040 [perl.org]
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    • If you mean I literally sound like him, then wow, no, I don't. At all. :-)

      If you mean my situation sounds like his, then yeah, a bit. Back then, it was considered bad form to ban people for disliking them, even Shlomi FIsh/rindolf. Note my reply [perl.org] on that journal entry: even though I was criticizing Shlomi Fish, I noted sungo was wrong to ban him.

      That's how #perl pretty much always was, since it became a social channel. Apparently mst and apeiron have ruined it, as this is apparently now standard practice

      • No. It's standard practice to turn #perl on irc.perl.org into a channel that we're not ashamed for new users to come into. This is most of why *I* am not in there anymore.

        This is not the #perl you grew up with and it's not the #perl that tolerated all of our fights and bullshit.

        While I've not read a transcript of this latest interaction, you need to understand that times have changed and old regulars are not immune from the process. You can come along for the ride and help out or you can get out.

        • sungo, you're confused.

          You're right that it is not the old #perl, but you're wrong about everything else. Banning people who aren't doing anything bad or wrong is not how you keep people unashamed. There was no fight, mst just has a grudge, along with hobbs and apeiron. It's not about being unashamed, it's about being power-hungry dicks who cannot tolerate people who they have differences with. There's no way I could "help out" with that.

          • I'm not confused about everything else because I helped plan and continue to support these changes behind the scenes. As others have pointed out, a lot changed while you were away.

            You're taking things more personally than you need to, but that's generally your style. That's not new. The three folks you mentioned have been pretty instrumental in turning the channel around from the horrors of ages past. As a lead oper, they'll continue to get my support.

            Let me put it a different way since nothing seems to be