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  • You can say you're working on perl6 all you want, and put out stable parrot releases, but they're not stable releases of "perl 6" until you can go to perl.com and when you click "download" it gives you something other than 5.10.

    *I* know perl6 is progressing, and *you* know perl6 is progressing, and other folks around here know it's progressing, and perhaps it's even usable day-to-day right now, but it's not perceived as "there, we're ready to have regular users use this, and we declare it perl 6.0" until

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    • ... they're not stable releases of "perl 6" until you can go to perl.com and when you click "download" it gives you something other than 5.10.

      Fun fact: I edited the Perl.com Downloads [perl.com] page sometime around December 2007 to include information on how to download and build monthly Rakudo releases with the perl6 binary that Jerry and I made work.

      Release-early-release-often is good for development....

      Silly me. I thought it was also good for demonstrating that the software does actually exist -- you know, be

      • include information on how to download and build monthly Rakudo release

        Sure, and right now, it says it's an "in-development" version for "experimentation and testing." Not exactly saying "we're want testers!"

        I'm not saying there isn't progress, I'm saying that people won't treat it as "real" until, as Alias said, people say "here's perl 6.0 alpha 1" and many folks won't really start evaluating it for their own uses until it at least says "beta 1" on the announcements.

        Until then, it just looks like a development in-progress that isn't ready for a wider audience yet.

        I know you spend a lot of time on parrot, and to you, it seems like it's hard to miss perl6's progress, but from the outside, the only reminder I have that it even exists is the occasional post from you showing up in my RSS feeds. Until it's on Slashdot/digg/whatever "PERL 6 ALPHA AVAILABLE!" many folks will assume no major announcements for a long time means it's in incubation, or dead, and don't have the time to seek out proof to the contrary.

        Silly me. I thought it was also good for demonstrating that the software does actually exist

        Right, I think everyone believes it exists, but IMHO, their "little but vapour-ware" comment meant: not yet ready for anyone but developers who are knee-deep in perl to look at. The casual perl-using crowd who have grown perl5 to the huge user-base it enjoys use it to get things done, not to play with the new hot perl6 stuff.

        I think we're in violent agreement, for the most part. I just don't think the vapour-ware comment meant "nonexistant", rather I think it meant "not yet blessed by the perl6 community as ready for a wider audience beyond hardcore perl geeks." You're just not going to stop getting such comments until something that indicates the project is winding down the "language design" phase and working into the "stabilizing and getting user feedback" phase by releasing an alpha/beta.

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