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  • Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and others are there to keep the flames of hate alive

    I guess you didn't see the Pew study showing Fox News was much more balanced than other news organizations (spreading that balanced hate?)

    http://www.journalism.org/node/13437 [journalism.org]

    It's frankly getting pretty old when people attack Fox.

    • I think most people have the perception that Fox News == Bill O'Reilly (or Sean Hannity).
      • Likely true. And most of those most people probably don't watch O'Reilly (who lays into everyone), and seem to forget about Colmes sitting across the table from Hannity. But, they don't say anything about MSNBC. 3 hours a day is Olberman, Maddow and Mathews, which is 1/4 of the day being pretty unfettered *far* left (think Hannity's America, for 3 hours a day instead of an hour on the weekend). Actually, more than 1/4 since they re-run the programming.

        In either case, it's just gotten old :-)

        • It never ceases to amaze me when people in the US, enjoying what is possibly the furthest right democracy in the industrialized world, talk about the "far left" in America. What constitutes the far left in the US often amuses political commentators the world over (seriously -- I've seen news commentators laughing over here when this topic comes up). As a bit of comparison, here are some positions one politician here in the UK advocates:

          • Make Britain greener (and urged people to see "An Inconvenient Truth")
          • Support gay and lesbian civil partnerships
          • Protect the NHS (their socialized medicine) from budget cuts
          • Appeared to oppose privatizing NHS
          • Levy higher taxes against carbon-producing companies
          • Support more family-friendly working conditions, including money for childcare
          • Opposed blindly cutting taxes
          • Opposed national ID cards as a threat to civil liberty
          • Pursue a foreign policy that doesn't slavishly follow US foreign policy

          Of course, if a US politician were to make such statements, they would immediately be branded a far-left liberal whack job.  Fox News would be after him like hounds chasing, well, a fox.  Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and many others would be mocking him.  But this speech was by David Cameron [bbc.co.uk], the leader of the UK conservative party.

          There is no "far left" in the US unless the US narcissistically compares its left wing to its right wing.

          • I was speaking with a co-worker yesterday who is from .ca and said something similar; that our left wing isn't really liberal.

            But, it's all relative. If you were to compare the "liberals" in Iran, they would be on the "right" compared to US liberals. So yes, the US compares its right to its left, since they are our right and left.

            • I was speaking with a co-worker yesterday who is from .ca and said something similar; that our left wing isn't really liberal.

              It's a common thing to say but it's not really true at all. Our left wing agrees with theirs on pretty much everything.

          • There is no "far left" in the US unless the US narcissistically compares its left wing to its right wing.

            How is that "narcisstic"? We're talking U.S. politics here; how does it make sense to NOT speak of it in terms relative to its own constituencies?

            You're "amazed" by people using language appropriately.

            That said, I don't agree with your claims anyway: everything you mentioned is a clear majority position in the leadership of the Democratic Party, except for the National ID card thing. Besides that, there's also a fair bit of question-begging fallacy, like "blindly cutting" and "slavishly follow."