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  • "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi." -George Orwell, 1941

    Similarly, those who wanted to do exactly nothing about Saddam Hussein, were objectively, pro-Bathist.

    • Well, here's one way to look at it. This summer around 10,000 people (this is a conservative estimate based solely on some undertakers, the total will be higher) died in France alone, not to mention the rest of the EU, due to global warming entailed by CO2 emissions. Which country produces half of the world's CO2 emissions for 5% of its population? How many casulties does one thing need make to count as a WMD? Should one support a war to gain access to the means of producing more emissions?

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      -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]

        • ...due to global warming entailed by CO2 emissions.

        This has not been proven.

        In any case, the EU produces a great deal of Green House Gasses itself and is not meeting it's own commitments to reduce those emissions.

        I wonder why ElfFina didn't volunteer to give up it's own contracts with Saddam Hussein that gave them access to an inexpensive means of producing more emissions? Or, why France has diplomatically tried to reassert those same contracts?

        It's easy to find fault, except when the fault is with

          • It's easy to find fault, except when the fault is with yourself.

          When I said this, I didn't know how much blame could be laid directly at the feet of the French Government and Society. An article in the Independent highlights the negligence of French institutions here [independent.co.uk]:

          As a political storm raged over blame for the deaths, President Jacques Chirac called an emergency cabinet meeting and promised an inquiry to examine "with complete openness" the failings of the health and welfare system.

          Half the victim

          • Hey jordan, there are a number of things which you say that I think I address (or not, but at least talk about) in, as of now, my latest journal entry, so I won't go into detail about them here (unless there's good reason, and I unfortunately won't have much time to answer in a timely fashion, sorry about that).

            First and foremost, I in no way contradict the fact that the current french government completely failed to deal with the situation that occured this summer. Two major warnings were given to

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            -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]

      • This summer around 10,000 people (this is a conservative estimate based solely on some undertakers, the total will be higher) died in France alone, not to mention the rest of the EU, due to global warming entailed by CO2 emissions.

        That's cute speculation, but doesn't do much to encourage intelligent and interesting conversation. The actual fact is that no one knows what causes global warming. It is entirely possible that emissions have absolutely nothing to do with it. Oh, but then we wouldn't have any
        • Cute speculation? Please. We may differ in our opinions but there are limits to buying every single part of what those that you may agree with argue. Did I blame you? See above, see latest entry.

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          -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]

          • Sorry about "cute speculation," but you were assuming as scientific fact something that is not. Scientific fact is that we do not know what causes global warming. It could very well be that it is 99+ percent "natural," a cyclical event. We do not know, and it is irresponsible IMO to treat it as fact based on entirely circumstantial evidence.
            • Well, the fact that the sun comes up every morning isn't a scientific fact either, it could happen to just be the way gravity's been working since we started measuring it. Scientists that claim that there is no link between greenhouse gases and global warming pretty much have the same position as those that still claim that smoking doesn't cause cancer, except that the name of the company changes to one in a different lobby.

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              -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]

              • Scientists that claim that there is no link between greenhouse gases and global warming pretty much have the same position as those that still claim that smoking doesn't cause cancer, except that the name of the company changes to one in a different lobby.

                First, the comparison just doesn't hold. For cancer, we have had extensive studies with control groups etc., data that goes far beyond what we have for global warming. That's the difficult part: we have extremely limited data and no control group.

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