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  • You know, women just can't fucking win...either they're aggressive like me and get called a bitch or they're too nice and get called mary poppins. I've seen plenty of guys with the too nice problem and can't recall ever blaming it on their gender while pounding their heads against the bathroom walls trying to rile them. They'd just say, "Thank you mistress" and smile. Freaks.

    Maybe guys should get to work and make more money to support us in the way we have become accustomed so we wouldn't have to work a

    • You're both wrong IME..

      In about 6 years commercial programming I've worked professionally with probably > 20 blokes and ~ 3 women programmers.

      I haven't noticed the diffence really, the women I have worked with have generally been more consistently normal, with less freaks at either side of the passive and aggressive edges of the curve - probably because the sample is too small to get the same kind of results

      As for women getting the blame for being too passive or aggressive - this is the first time I've seen it, and like the guy says, his sample is 1 woman in 1 office.

      I actually worked on the website support and development for a major UK project that is aimed at the real root of the problem : computer clubs for girls [cc4g.net] which runs classes for girls after school using online learning and stuff. This is where the problem is - by the time most of the girls I knew at school reached 11 they weren't interested - in the IT class at GCSE most of the girls switched or dropped it in the second year, and marginally more boys stayed. When I got to college there were just 2 girls on the course and only 1 finished, when I got to university - in my first year there were 2 women both of whom dropped out and I'm not sure if even one has completed the degree in its 5 year history

      When I looked at the engineering faculty it was pretty much the same story but with a few more women and a bit more success - can't say why exactly as I never had the chance to meet any - just noticed a token handful in the photographs you get for each course

      I'm pretty sure, the problem is that most women don't think this business is interested and I'd wager that any girl with an interest in computing would get a lot more pressure from female than male peers to change subjects.. and once you've only got a couple left, there is a feeling of isolation with your friends on unrelated courses, being so heavily outnumbered, etc - and the odds of any 1 person out of the 80 or so starting a decent CS degree finishing in the final 20 or so (at least that was the ratio for my course) who gradutate is pretty low

      Thinking about problems in the workplace is pretty much too late

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      @JAPH = qw(Hacker Perl Another Just);
      print reverse @JAPH;
      • People doing the work they really want to be doing, such as at a worth while and well run non-profit organization, seems to me to be the best way to get rid of the work place pettiances that stem from people not wanting to do work or accept delegation. Actually, that statement is circular. Huh. Guess that makes it self-evidant ;)

        Wrong? Jolly good! Never admit that any other male knows anything you don't... don't ask him how many places he's worked, or how many times he's seen the same pattern, or whethe
        • nevermind, I thought I could provide some useful info and opinion based on university, work and actual meetings with people at cc4g who are investigating and working on the causes of the lack of women in IT -- that's not exactly pulling it from thin air.

          Of course you were just ranting about offices that suck and I'm glad I've never worked anywhere close to as bad as that.

          I just suggested that gender makes no difference, as did hfb and even you in your response. So whats with the arsey response?
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          @JAPH = qw(Hacker Perl Another Just);
          print reverse @JAPH;
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