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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • First point:

    You don't like Perl 6.

    You did not involve yourself in that project.

    You don't like what others have done.

    You have some weird ideas on how community projects work: you think that there's a cabal that controls the project. Well, you may call it a cabal, but anyone can join. You just have to write some idea in the mailing lists, or talk on the IRC channels, or submit a patch to the code or the documentation.

    If you have an interest in the outcome of the project, you don't ignore it for 12 years and t
    • Shane may be entitled to rejecting my comments, but he is definitely not entitled to editing them. It may be his blog, but it's my content - and my ideas. Misrepresenting my ideas on purpose is a violent act.

      I can tell you are confused. You are asking all the wrong questions. The real question is: why did we let this bunch of crazy people drive perl directly to the garbage? You don't care that it's become a joke? Interesting.

      You, as member of the perl community, are also responsible for it. Take some resp

      • Misrepresenting my ideas on purpose is a violent act

        Bullshit. You are insulting every victim of true violence, ever.

        Why not go all the way and call it rape? chromatic raped you just as much as he was violent to you.

        --
        J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
        • Why do I think your comment is so funny? It's self-defeating. You accuse my original post of insulting true victims of violence, hence rendering it invalid. But in the same post you introduce rape, making the exact same mistake yourself! If you follow your logic, your post insults true victims of rape. This puts your comment in a funny situation:

          If it is valid, then what it says about my post is also valid about yours, hence rendering your comment invalid.

          If it isn't valid, then it can be safely ignored.

          • Our Perl community leaders have failed us, and it’s up to us to grab the bull by its horns.

            Why don’t you? Put forth a credible proposal and people will follow.

            Go ahead.

            • Put forth a credible proposal and people will follow.

              Did you mean "Do something worth following"?

              • Not necessarily. I don’t think you have to be able to do better than whoever they’re criticising in order for your criticism to be valid. I was getting at the fact that talk about how someone should do something is insubstantial. There needs to be an actual exposition of something better, or at the very least an analytical explanation of exactly what is bad about something, taking second- and further-order effects into account – something, anything, that’s constructive on some level – to crystallise people around a cause. (Code is always best, but remember that Larry didn’t have any for a long time yet Perl 6 is happening.) But a plain pursed-lipped “well this is all crap” cannot possibly achieve anything (other than maybe paint its utterer in a bad light) by its very nature.

                That is what I meant.