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    • One thing that bothers me though is the Biedermeier like state of things,
      which I am supporting by not involving myself.

    I'm not familiar with this term "Biedermeier like". A quick google didn't clarify it for me.

    I hope it doesn't break your discussion rules, which I find very reasonable, to enlighten me on what this means.

    I have to agree. Blogs are a really bad forum for heated political and religious discussion. I try to refrain, but sometimes someone says something that I feel can't go unchallenge

    • I actually wanted to link to a definition, but I was unable to find a proper one, instead I found a lot of art listings etc.

      Here is a definition from a interior decoration site []:

      Many assume that Biedermeier is the name of a celebrated cabinetmaker of the time, but the name is more commonly attributed to a satirical cartoon popular in early 19th century Europe. The cartoon characters of the Biedermeier family symbolized the rich indolent German bourgeois of the day. They were depicted as fat, overdressed, nouveau-riche comfortably surrounded with the new streamlined, highly polished furniture, then in vogue. "Bieder" in German means plain and "Meier" was one of the most common German surnames of the time.

      Here is a excerpt from Another article []:

      The oppressive political climate of restricted public life of the German people encouraged a culture centered on the physical and psychological comforts of home. They focused inward and concentrated their attention on their domestic environment.

      The definition I learned of Biedermeier describes a society where nothing provocative or dangerous is used as expression. The paintings show small lakes in forests etc. everything is very harmonic and very idealistic, (but also boring).
      • I guess this explains why all my Google references seemed to be to furniture.

        In the US, they might call that Ozzie & Harriet-like, after the '50s TV show that showed an idealized family where there was never really any real conflict or problems.

        There's something about arguing over the Internet that's so unproductive. People who have spent time on Usenet know this. Perhaps without a give and take that includes human faces and body language that the 'opponent' becomes dehumanized and positions are pol

        • Thanks for the briefing on the american term, I am not sure Biedermeier is used as a common term any where (perhaps on the art schools of Vienna?), but I often use it - maybe I need to find another term.

          About your description of f2f dicussion vs. TCP/IP based discussion - I agree with what you outline.