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  • ...and then there's polls.

    I'd like it if someone would post, verbatum, what it was we voted on that day. I remember it being worded very, very, very weakly. Something along the lines of "Do you think we should investigate developing a Perl certification?" ie. something you really couldn't vote against. It certainly wasn't a strong message for certification and I don't like seeing it spun that way.
    • During and after OSCON, I asked Damian and others about the details of the vote, to check my recollections, and they agreed with me that the first question was "How many are against the development of a certification program", and the second, "How many are for the development of a certification program". (Damian asked the questions.) And given the context of the preceding discussion, it would have been clear that we were talking about the Perl community developing the program.

      All the panelists (along with


      Dr. Tim Maher
      CEO, Consultix
      Perl and UNIX Training []
      • Well, I was one of the folks who raised hands to the "for" question, but my diary notes that the question was:

        "How many of you are for continued discussion, and possible development, of a certification program by the Perl community?"

        and I also remarked that it's hardly possible to vote against such a wording. Again, my comprehension ability for spoken English may be at fault, but I remember several people who expressed similar sentiments about the wording.

        • "How many of you are for continued discussion, and possible development, of a certification program by the Perl community?"

          Thanks, Autrijus. That's about the wording I remember. That question is so weak, you really can't vote against it. About the only thing I'd conclude from the poll is that people aren't so rabidly against the idea that they think no further work should be done. Not exactly a rousing chourus of consent.

          But the poll was just a very minor part of the show, and I'd be the first pe

          • Schwern,

            I sympathize with your interest in "seeing the code" for the vapor-ware Perl Certification program everybody's talking about, rather than enduring additional discourse on this board. FWIW, my thoughts on how to proceed are as follows:

            1. get people talking about the pros/cons of the Perl community developing its own certification program (DONE!)
            2. ask TPF to designate a Certification Team Leader, who will assemble a small team to do a preliminary study on the feasibility of the project
            3. conduct a TP

            Dr. Tim Maher
            CEO, Consultix
            Perl and UNIX Training []
            • JFDI! (Score:2, Insightful)

              Why do you need TPF's blessing to come up with a proposal for a certification program? If it's good, I think they'll recognize it. Likewise, why do you need the approval of "the Perl community"? If it's good, again, I think they'll recognize it.

              One persistent myth about volunteer projects is that having a good idea is enough. It's not. Having an idea doesn't get the work done. Having an idea doesn't entitle you to be a leader. You have to do the work yourself or convince enough other people to do t

              • by yumpy (1032) on 2004.01.14 1:35 (#27359) Homepage
                The need I see for TPF's approval is in connection with the public activites of the team, such as contacting HR departments to determine their receptivity to the idea, and to ask for sponsorhip. Somehow I think we'd be more likely to get taken seriously and get cooperation from them if they knew they were dealing with a sanctioned community project, rather than just an individual or an ad-hoc collection of interested JAPHs ! 8-}

                Just like I'd refrain from developing a complex system for a client until the contract was in hand, I'd want to be pretty sure that the "customers" and "subjects" of a certification program were likely to be receptive to it before committing resources to making it happen.

                It's obvious that "somebody has to do the work", but it's important, IMHO, that it not be in vain.


                Dr. Tim Maher
                CEO, Consultix
                Perl and UNIX Training []