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  • The mechanism of a non-profit membership organization in the United States is quite complicated and overly complex. It basically further cripples any action that the administration can do. When I started Perl Mongers, a couple of lawyers explained it all to me and my research all turned up the same answer: don't form as a membership organization if you can help it. If TPF becomes more like a guild (which is what you propose), its tax situation is completely different.

    If you were only in the presidency for a
    • As I said, it's a fictional scenario, but one that (ignoring the details of implementing it) I think many people would like to see.

      More participation, more feedback, more opportunity.

      As one of the partners of Stonehenge and the publisher of the only Perl magazine, your view is from a position far closer to the action than people on the other side of the world, with little to no access to the North American community.

      I personally got more out listening into a stream of Allison from Randal's laptop at one meeting reporting on the previous years updates than I had from the entire previous year viewing from this distance.

      I don't suggest 100% of that scenario need be true.

      If it can't be done as a guild, then consider it just informal registration.

      Or we do take the time to change the structure.

      Or we move the parent body to a country that isn't so insanely complex. Who's to say there isn't a solution there somewhere.

      For now, I'm not interested in the means, merely throwing up ideas for the end.

      If there's then a way to achieve the end that has a suitable means, then we do that.

      To address some more specific points, you bring up items about which I have no visibility from outside the cabal.

      The TPF has too much money? Where did you find that out, because from out here I had no idea. There's no financials visible since 2003.

      Might I suggest a grant to someone to help improve Win32 Perl. I can suggest half a dozen people that would probably put up their hands to take a paid month or two off and help make it more of a first class platform.

      If people knew there was too much money, I'm sure they would have suggestions.

      What about more marketing? What about the TPF hiring some key developers to work on Perl full time? Would having Audrey or Larry or CLKAO working full time to make Perl better help?

      If people WANT to give the TPF money, then why stop them?

      I'm not sure what you mean by the YAPC donor base. I'm certainly not suggesting destroying the way YAPC works, just that when a Corporate Partner asked for a ticket, the TPF would pay for it instead of them directly.

      This might help some of these guys get to events more. The ones you DON'T see at conferences.

      As to the specifics of the White Camel scenario, I doubt a single company could warp the whole vote with 5 votes compared to 1 for individuals. Or we don't have voting in that way. Or the closed white camel "community" sets the nominees, but the members vote.

      I don't offer SPECIFIC answers or proposals, I just offer suggestions of a DIRECTION. I leave it up to the creativity of others to suggests ways for things to be done.

      Because I would certainly be happy to pay my $whatever dollars for registration, so I don't have to actively remember to donate again each year, and so I get my DVD of all those talks I can almost never get to conferences to see.

      And if there's 1000 others around the world that feel the same way, why should we say no to their quarter of a million dollars, and tell them we don't need their help.
      • People don't not particpate because they don't have a way to give money. A membership organization is not going to change that.

        In reality, charitable organizations will always have to beg for money. You get that by developing personal relationships with the people who give out the money (not just the organization that has the money). As a charity, no one can inure private benefit, which means that your plan turns TPF into a non-charity, which cuts you off from charitable giving.

        Changing things to an foreig
      • The TPF has too much money? Where did you find that out, because from out here I had no idea. There's no financials visible since 2003.

        Go to the TPF Web site [perlfoundation.org]. On the left side, near the top of the page, is a clearly visible "tax returns" link. Click on that and you'll see our tax returns through 2004 (I've no idea if this year's return has been filed as I don't handle the money).

        A little below that link is the Fund Drive Status [perlfoundation.org] link. Click on that and you'll see the money we pulled in for last year

        • Go to the TPF Web site. On the left side, near the top of the page, is a clearly visible "tax returns" link. Click on that and you'll see our tax returns through 2004 (I've no idea if this year's return has been filed as I don't handle the money).

          In Adam's defense, the tax returns had only gone through 2003 when he wrote his comment. When I read it, I double-checked to make sure he was right and noticed that the tax returns were only up through 2003. I had the 2004 return in PDF form, but I forgot to po