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  • It looks to me that Clinton's biggest "problem" is that he did not hide behind "executive privilege" and tell congress to "bite me" when they asked for stuff. (At least not as effectively as the current guy.)

    He could have learned a thing from the current president in that regard.

    If he had done this... well, I'm sure he would have stacked up much better. ;-)

    I personally believe that both Clinton and Bush (take your pick) are morally corrupt and not fit for "Leadership". The problem gets made even worse wh
    • The problem gets made even worse when you take into consideration that congress is unwilling to be led.

      I don't know what you mean by that. Congress doesn't lead, they are led. They should lead, as they are the most powerful body in the country (don't believe the nonsense about coequal branches of government, it's not true).

      Too damn many people worried about getting re-elected.

      Agreed. This is why I am for term limits.

      While I'm all for democracy (beats all of the options) I think something if serio
      • The problem gets made even worse when you take into consideration that congress is unwilling to be led.

        I don't know what you mean by that. Congress doesn't lead, they are led. They should lead, as they are the most powerful body in the country (don't believe the nonsense about coequal branches of government, it's not true).

        I have become very cynical and often scoff when I hear the terms "president" and "leader(ship)" in the same sentence. Even so, traditionally the president is considered the "leader"
        • Even so, traditionally the president is considered the "leader" of our government.

          Militarily and diplomatically. Beyond that, traditionally, not so much, until FDR came around. I mean yes, of course he is the "leader," but the Congress controlled the legislative agenda before the 1930s. Now, the President seems to lead it, most of the time.

          They are unwilling to be led.

          I wish that were even more true than it is. They should not be led. They should do what they think is best regardless of what the
          • I agree that congress should not be led. I think they should be responding to the pressure of the people they represent, not the president.

            First, your feelings about "god is coming soon and who gives a damn" are really off the mark. No one in power in DC believes this.

            Yeah... but stuff like [villagevoice.com] this [guardian.co.uk] scares me.

            Second, who cares about the minority? Since when are they supposed to matter? If you can't get enough representation to get your voice to matter, then your voice shouldn't matter.

            Ah... you don't subscribe to the idea of the tyranny of the majority [66.102.7.104]?

            I think this is exactly what we are seeing right now in congress.

            That is one of the reasons that the senate has the filibuster. Because one man should be able to make a difference. This was supposed to balance the majority rules thing that happens in the house.

            In the end, the system was set up to force discussion/debate and compromise. That is the part I feel is currently lacking. And the part I am "whining" about.

            If we can come together after the Civil War, all is not lost here.

            I felt better before you said that. I escaped from the south.

            They don't call it the civil war, they call it the war of northern agression. We were taught that the president during the war was Jefferson Davis. Afterwards, what was called "Reconstruction" was called retribution [prodigy.net] in the south.

            In many ways, what I see of the republican party (or the radical right portion) reminds me of the south. And, I can't help but think they are still out to "git thars"... and "make thangs right".

            Actually, as I sit here and think about it, the "war" between the right and left is very similar to the war between the north and south. Except, right now, the south is winning. One side sees it as issues of humanity and the other of business.

            (I must also sadly note that the slavery issue was so contentious that the founding fathers could not solve it. Instead they decided to count the slaves differently and shelve the rest of the issue for future resolution. In the south we were taught that the war wasn't really about slavery. It was the fact that representation in congress was divided by census data. And owning slaves got you more body count, thus more representation (a great deal because they counted, but could not vote). The north didn't like that. The south decided to split, the north didn't like that and attacked. History, as taught in southern public school 20 years ago.)
            • Yeah... but stuff like this scares me.

              I think most people read way too much into it, similarly to how people read way too much into some things about Clinton.

              Ah... you don't subscribe to the idea of the tyranny of the majority? That is one of the reasons that the senate has the filibuster. Because one man should be able to make a difference.

              To a very limited extent, even in the Senate. You can break a filibuster with cloture, and you need help with a filibuster, because you can't possibly continue i
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