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  • You're a direct beneficiary of core Perl contributions by ActiveState employees. Your abusive tone is totally uncalled for.
    • by btilly (5037) on 2007.10.24 18:46 (#58565) Journal
      He never said they were kiddies. In fact he pointed out that they include many well-known people in the Perl world.

      He just said that their site looks like a fly by night site that was put together by kiddies. He's got a point. Although I must admit that I like the current design a more than the old one. That one looked like they ripped the artwork from some Soviet propaganda.

      Of course the people who are well-known at ActiveState are known for their programming abilities, and not their graphical prowess. I'm sure I'd do no better, and would probably do worse in their position. But that is why every company who has hired me has had the sense to hire a graphic artist who does have the design sense to come up with a nice design.

      And as much as we'd both like for it not to matter, in the real world it does. (Which is a good thing for those graphics people, else they wouldn't have jobs.) Sure, not for dealing with technical people who know what they are doing. But to show non-technical managers?
      • I believe he said the design was the only thing he thought was good.

        Incidentally, there is a documentation link right on the main PDK page ("resources" on the right side) and typing "documentation" into the search box on any activestate.com page brought back hundreds of results.

        I don't know what local docs they bundle, but %%HTMLDIR%% looks like a Makefile target or similar, so maybe some kind of build/install procedure hadn't been run yet. But that's only a guess.

        In short, I think the rumors of ActiveStat
        • Let's see.

          You're right that documentation is on the right if you visit the right page. I don't know about you, but I tend to look for documentation on the top and left. Where normal sites put it. As he described, there is no link to documentation on the places where you expect the nav bar to be.

          Type documentation into the search bar, yup, lots of results. But if you look at his post he gives the link to the search result that he got [activestate.com]. Try that link, and no results. Why not? Well staring carefully at t
          • Note which high-bit character strayed into his URI: it says %A0, byte value 160, which, if interpreted as Latin-1, is U+00A0, otherwise known as NO-BREAK SPACE and declared in HTML as  . Ring a bell? If so, you can tell why he missed it…


        • Given an isolated example, you may choose to call it invalid because it doesn't fairly represent the norm. Or, if you're clever, you can call it a bad sample size, being a sample size of one =)

          I could have swore I tried the search twice, thinking something must have misfired, but maybe I was having a bad keyboard day.

          I'm not attacking ActiveState. Relax. I'm merely publicly bitching at them for frustrating *me* when *I* tried to find their documentation, with no pretense that my experience is normal. Bu
      • Hi btilly,

        Thanks for your comment. As usual, my high level of drama got a few feathers rilled.

        Anyway, I don't know graphic design and really can't comment on it, but I thought the site looked good. But that's part of what gives me the vibe -- sites that look really good but work very badly, especially with regards to user interface design. I can understand wanting to cut down on inappropriate email, but not letting people contact you until they've verified their account will keep you from ever hearing fr