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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • But Slashdot/use.perl are, arguably, just collaborative blogs, little different from any other personal blog except that the interconnections between people's commentary is a bit better interwoven.

    Oh, and for the record, "blogging" is not "journalism" either. If you have to ask, the answer is No. Trust me -- I've seen your work -- you do not have the discernment to be a journalist. Journalism requires separating the wheat from the chaff, and you're all chaff, baby.

    Err, would you consider Slashdot/use

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    • by pudge (1) on 2003.08.27 16:41 (#23597) Homepage Journal
      But Slashdot/use.perl are, arguably, just collaborative blogs, little different from any other personal blog except that the interconnections between people's commentary is a bit better interwoven.

      Slashdot -- the main page etc. -- is not a "blog" in the same sense I am referring. I am referring to the "this is what I am thinking today, may it enrich you!" web sites. Slashdot is a "here's what's going on that may be relevant to you, discuss it if you wish" web site. It's really a very different animal.

      I won't discuss use Perl; right now, as it's different than Slashdot, and I don't want to get too much onto a tangent. (For the record, if you care, I think the use Perl; homepage is a form of journalism, what might be called "newsletter journalism," the same kind of thing you see when Aunt Sally sends out her annual "what we did this year" letter at Christmas.)

      would you consider Slashdot/use.perl "journalism" then?

      Yes, Slashdot is, IMO. It's certainly not traditional journalism, but it is collaborative journalism. I could say a lot about it, but I'd end up using words like "paradigm" and then be forced to slap myself. Suffice it to say, however, that I really don't quibble with learned people who say it is NOT journalism. It all depends on your definition (see below).

      isn't it just a smidge hypocritical to complain about journalistic standards when you work for a site who's senior editors actively resist the idea that they should learn to spell, use proper grammar, check facts, and avoid duplicating stories

      None of that is, stricly speaking, true. There is ONE editor -- the most important one :-) -- who resists proper spelling and grammar. And no one on staff disparages fact-checking or avoidance of duplicates; quite the opposite, in fact.

      But even if you what you said were true, no, it would not be hypocritical, because I would be expressing my disagreement with those policies. :-) But seriously, what I am saying goes deeper than such superficial things as spelling and grammar or duplicate stories, and even fact-checking. Being "real journalism" is not about being "professional," it is at its root about a few things in my mind:

      • As already mentioned, discernment
      • Regular publication (trying to be complete not just in a given story, but in providing all the relevant stories for your audience)
      • Interviews, detail, additional facts


      This last point is what separates Slashdot. Merely reprinting news -- what most "blogs" do -- or adding opinion to them is not journalism. Slashdot is one of the most complete sources of information about any given story it publishes on the home page, because of the discussions. Almost anything you want to know about a subject, you'll find it, or a link to it, in a Slashdot story. It is the best example around of "collaborative journalism." Again, some people say it isn't journalism. They can say that, it won't bother me. But I'll say it is.

      Anyway, i think this is going off on a tangent. I am talking primarily about the self-centered "blogs" where people just give their thoughts and bask in the glory of how clever they are. You know, like my journal here. And that is something very different from Slashdot.