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  • Hm. I think I'm beginning to see where you're getting your anti-Israeli perspective.

    Isreal is blockading palestine and ghettoising it, imposing curfews, roadblocks and rocket or tanks assaults on civilians.

    But no mention that Israel has been in a state of war for over 50 years, and been targeted by a continual stream of suicide bombers for the past few years.

    Somehow, I don't think you would be so indignant if London were under perpetual attack by Foobari martyrs wearing suicide jackets -- in the pu

    • This I states that its only the terrorists who are interested in continuing the conflict.

      Unfortunately there are many in the government and the army who would rather the conflict continue, and continues to cost palestine more than isreal in both money and lives, than pull out of occupied areas, allow repatriation and take the settlements out.

      The people (or rather a large section of them) in israel elected the current government on the policies of putting revenge and 'security' before peace. If peace wer

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      • Unfortunately there are many in the government and the army who would rather the conflict continue, [...]

        While that statement is trivially true, it undermines the fact that the vast majority on both sides want the conflict to end.

        The people (or rather a large section of them) in israel elected the current government on the policies of putting revenge and 'security' before peace.

        Um, no. Israeli politics do not work that way. No government has ever gotten a simple majority in the popular vote. G

        • Only the people on one side is in a position to end it though. The palestinians are powerless to reign in terror groups acting in their name, Palestinian security and infrastructure has been damaged to such an extent that Arafat is hardly in a position to impose a ceasefire.

          Isreal on the other hand - a) voted for this b) have some control over the forces acting in their name by voting against parties with security-not-peace policies or concientious objection.

          I know Israel has a coalition, this means

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          • Only the people on one side is in a position to end it though. The palestinians are powerless to reign in terror groups acting in their name, Palestinian security and infrastructure has been damaged to such an extent that Arafat is hardly in a position to impose a ceasefire.

            Look, I think that Israeli government policy in the territories (and on many other issues, to be honest) is wrongheaded and counterproductive in many ways. But your above claim ignores reality. The Palestinian police could crack down on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other groups if they want to. They simply don't want to do so. Actually, the police might want to, but Arafat and others in charge don't.

            (Remember that Arafat has about 10 different security forces under his control, and one of the biggest debates in the latest appointment of a Palestinian prime minister was the question of if Arafat or the PM would control these security forces. In the end, the PM was granted control, at which point Arafat decided that he's going to ignore the decision, and kept some forces for himself.)

            On several previous occasions, the PA police have cracked down on militants (many of whom could also be called "terrorists"), arresting people and confiscating their guns. None of those militants are in prison nowadays, and this has nothing to do with Israeli bombings and policies.

            Now, whether the PA releases terrorists because it supports terrorism or because it doesn't want to risk infighting among Palestinians is a good question. But whether it's because they fear losing public support (which is increasingly behind Hamas and other terror groups) or because they actively want to support terrorism, the Palestinian leadership has done little, if anything, to stop terrorists.

            The current intifada is about 3 things - Sharon visiting Muslim holy places, more settlements being built and more illegal occupation, on top of the usual illegal occupation and other actions of the IDF

            The current intifada started during the most left-wing, pro-peace government Israel had elected in a long time, and is likely to elect in the foreseeable future. (Much to my chagrin, I might add.) Barak wasn't a saint, and he did push forward the building of settlements more than he and his supporters might like to admit. But to start shooting and bombing Israeli citizens didn't demonstrate any sort of good-faith effort in talking.

            Look, the current situation is bad for everyone. Israelis are suffering pretty horribly, and it's probably safe to say that Palestinians are suffering even more. And you can be sure that I wish we would stop with much of the settlement and army activity in the territories. But to say that the Palestinians are totally powerless to stop terrorism is nonsense.

            Moreover, remember that the PA continues to broadcast TV programs praising suicide bombers. Are they also powerless to change their television programming? Or is that also Israel's fault?