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  • Hm. I think I'm beginning to see where you're getting your anti-Israeli perspective.

    Isreal is blockading palestine and ghettoising it, imposing curfews, roadblocks and rocket or tanks assaults on civilians.

    But no mention that Israel has been in a state of war for over 50 years, and been targeted by a continual stream of suicide bombers for the past few years.

    Somehow, I don't think you would be so indignant if London were under perpetual attack by Foobari martyrs wearing suicide jackets -- in the pu

    • This I states that its only the terrorists who are interested in continuing the conflict.

      Unfortunately there are many in the government and the army who would rather the conflict continue, and continues to cost palestine more than isreal in both money and lives, than pull out of occupied areas, allow repatriation and take the settlements out.

      The people (or rather a large section of them) in israel elected the current government on the policies of putting revenge and 'security' before peace. If peace wer

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      • Unfortunately there are many in the government and the army who would rather the conflict continue, [...]
        While that statement is trivially true, it undermines the fact that the vast majority on both sides want the conflict to end.
        The people (or rather a large section of them) in israel elected the current government on the policies of putting revenge and 'security' before peace.
        Um, no. Israeli politics do not work that way. No government has ever gotten a simple majority in the popular vote. Governments are built by forming a coalition, so no platform ever gets anything better than a plurality. And while the intifada is the most important in your eyes, there are many other issues on the table during each election that disprove your simpleminded assessment of the will of the Israeli people.
        If peace were really important then the current intifada would not have started, the army would be more careful about spilling civilian blood and open to the UN and media about its activities.
        Bullshit.

        The IDF is defending Israel against a set of radical fringe groups like Hamas that deny Israel's right to exist. Their position, like that of the PLO before them, is that the only acceptable solution is a Palestinian state in place of Israel. That's why it was such a big deal during the Norway accords that Yasser Arafat removed that clause in the PLO's constitution (and why the current Intifada started up again -- to rekindle the passion to replace Israel with a Palestinian state, not live in peace and harmony with Israel.

        The UK has lived with terrorism, it is because of at least some of the restraint of the security forces and the fact that the government engaged with terrorists while they were still active that northern island has had relative peace for several years.
        All due respect, but the IRA violence in the UK simply does not compare to Israeli/Palestinian conflict. They are very different. The motives are vastly different, as are the tactics -- the IRA did not aim to "reclaim Britain for the Irish", nor did they partake in an incessant stream of suicide bombers. Expecting the IDF to act as UK security forces did simply isn't realistic.
        • Only the people on one side is in a position to end it though. The palestinians are powerless to reign in terror groups acting in their name, Palestinian security and infrastructure has been damaged to such an extent that Arafat is hardly in a position to impose a ceasefire.

          Isreal on the other hand - a) voted for this b) have some control over the forces acting in their name by voting against parties with security-not-peace policies or concientious objection.

          I know Israel has a coalition, this means

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          • Only the people on one side is in a position to end it though. The palestinians are powerless to reign in terror groups acting in their name, Palestinian security and infrastructure has been damaged to such an extent that Arafat is hardly in a position to impose a ceasefire.

            Look, I think that Israeli government policy in the territories (and on many other issues, to be honest) is wrongheaded and counterproductive in many ways. But your above claim ignores reality. The Palestinian police could crack dow