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  • by jrockway (7171) on 2008.12.03 4:37 (#66103) Journal
    I also use Haskell and Common Lisp, and they both have non-beautiful websites. I care about what a langauge will help me do, not whether or not some websites that talk about those languages are pretty. This, I believe, is because I am over the age of 4.
    • This is not only the design we talk about. If the website is slow and sometimes behaves unpredictably, that's bad.

    • Those who ignore marketing are doomed to repeat it.

      No offence, but marketing is not evil and ignoring it doesn't help. And citing Haskell and Common Lisp as examples of languages which don't need pretty Web sites is, well, you know :)

      • Marketing is evil and like Bill Hicks said to PR-guys: kill yourself. you satans little helper and there is no rational behind what you are doing.

        but on the othe hand, its no marketing, to have a nice looking and usefull site with fresh content. while I understand jrockaway attitude, there lies no problem because such a site would not scare him away from perl, but he would appreciate it, when wie achieve something good. But perl noobs could be scared away, which raises the question what is it we have a si
        • Would you please join rfc@sayperl.org mailing list by sending the addresses to join to mail@sayperl.org? It's better to disscuss something together :-)

        • I reiterate Ovid's statement, marketing is not evil. There is good marketing and bad marketing, but dismissing it as evil is to miss the point entirely.

          use.perl was an active and very current site when I joined, it's only real problem is that it doesn't have a dedicated active development team, in the way that PerlMonks has. The code is based on SlashCode and as far as I'm aware that's still the case. The data might not be available, but the code is there. Unfortunately no-one has felt moved to work on impr

        • We don't have a site like use.perl.org. Pudge has a site like use.perl.org. It's his testbed for Slashcode. That's it's main purpose. It's not yours. It's not ours. It doesn't "represent" anybody.

          If you (or a "we" that you are part of) want to have a site, then start a site.

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          • If that's true, and I'm not convinced it is any more, use.perl.org is the defacto perl news site. There are others, such as Perl Buzz but this place is "blessed" by www.perl.org. The question is - would pudge be open to collaborations to improve this site? - if not, any discussion about improving it is wasted.
            • What does "blessed by www.perl.org" mean?
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              • It's the only news site listed on the home page of www.perl.org, i.e. the people who run that site deem it the worthy of putting up there as a valuable resource (which it is, don't get me wrong).

                I see that stories from perl buzz are listed under the news feed but the site is not separately listed.

                • Yes, it's not listed under "Community", it's in the news feed. Part of this whole perception issue that is so baffling to me is that people, including you, seem to think that a listing on a perl.org site somehow makes the site more valuable. We need to get away from this image of the Ivory Tower of perl.org. Let's let 1,000 flowers bloom! Let's have so many Perl sites that perl.org can't possibly keep track of them all! See also "Perl needs to decentralize, diversify and colonize." http://perlbuzz.com [perlbuzz.com]
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                  • I completely agree that diversity is good but every project/product/language needs a focal point. It helps beginners find their way into the language and the commmunity that surrounds it. I don't think it would be a stretch to suggest that the languages with the best buzz have the best focal points.

                    http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ [ruby-lang.org]
                    http://www.php.net/ [php.net]
                    http://www.python.org/ [python.org]
                    http://www.perl.org/ [perl.org]

                    Which one would you find most appealing as a newcomer ?

                    For that reason, the resources that are listed on the "official" lan

                    • I don't disagree that perl.org could look better. So who's going to take action to improve it?
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                    • Who "owns" perl.org - they need to be in on and supportive of any plan to improve it ?

                    • Ask and Robert. They will certainly be open to the help. However, I'd strongly suggest that you come up with actual prototypes of what you want to change to BEFORE contacting them. Lord knows they've had enough people bluster in and say "I want to change perl.org's front page!" with no results.
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                    • I hear that. This topic certainly seems to stir people up :-)

                    • OK, I'll put the first stick in the ground.

                      I've put a few ideas together for a *.perl.org facelift. I chose use.perl.org as a starting because that was the original subject of discussion.

                      http://wardley.org/use.perl.org/test.html [wardley.org]

                    • Wow, that's highly beautiful. If pudge isn't interested, I might want to use it for Perlbuzz. :-) Also, thumbs up for "None, none more comments."
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        • As much as I love Bill Hicks' work, that bit is not relevant to this discussion. (Plus he's really talking about advertising, not marketing)

          Everyone is in marketing. Everyone sells to everyone else. "Hey, wanna go to lunch? There's this cool Mexican place I heard about."

          Similarly, if we say "Hey, look how cool Perl is and all the cool things you can do with it," that's also marketing.

          I know it's hip to be all anti-marketing and anti-establishment, but if you want people to join our little group, y

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    • Pretty is important. Just think about how you feel around ugly code?