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  • I worked in the WTC for a while, and they'd have been thrilled with a 53K employee count. Alas, the towers were partly empty, and the higher you went the emptier they were. (The bombing in the basement really cleared the place out, and it never really filled again, and the high floors were a pain to get to)

    Besides, if there really were some sort of Great Jewish Consipiracy, Cantor Fitzgerald wouldn't have lost nearly as many people as they did...
  • It is obvious to anybody who has been paying attention and following events, that the bombings were done by the nation of Israel.

    Obviously you are using some definition of the word "obviously" with which I have been previously unfamiliar.

    Real comments about the WTC's last day. []

    Comment from an Orthodox Jew indicating belief in a peaceful resolution to dispute with Muslims. [] (Yes, I'm sure this is not a universally shared belief.)

    J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
  • You might want to check out

    Now, I personally think the guy is a rabid consipirotorist ( is that a word? ) -- but you can see the kind of connections and stuff which that group puts together.

    Some of it is thought provoking.
  • by ziggy (25) on 2003.02.27 10:57 (#17576) Journal
    Nothing on Snopes (yet) - I guess this is just a left-wing (or right? - I get my sides confused) nut^Wconspiracy theorist.
    Obviously. There were similar stories about Arabs and Muslims being warned that sounded a lot like this one that I remember from late September 2001.

    Let's accept as fact the 85-floor "NO SURVIVOR zone" is legit. Let's also accept as fact that there were somewhere in the range of 19,000 to 20,000 workers in those floors. Let's also be generous and accept most of the roughly 3,000 workers who perished worked on those floors.

    Everything listed so far is just on the edge of being plausable. Everything after the introduction of "Maria Sanchez" is not; the second part of the letter is written to pull on your heart strings and lead you down an antisemitic line of thought, and lead into the third part that questions Israel's right to exist and the competance of the US Military. It also reads like poorly written fiction.

    Set aside the rhetoric and examine these seemingly plausible facts. The first plane hit at around 8:45 am. Anyone who has worked in NYC knows that most people do not show up at their desks at 9 AM sharp, and are chronically a few minutes late for a host of good reasons, mostly transit related (slow train, commuter rail schedules, long line at the bagel shop today, etc.). But the plane didn't hit at 9AM, it hit earlier when fewer people would have been at their desks. Don't forget that the people who were en route around 8:45 and later just didn't go into the office.

    Next, a goodly chunk of those 85 floors were in tower 2, the second one to be hit and the first one to go down. The second plane hit about a half hour later. So not only were fewer people at their desks, but they had more time to evacuate before their offices were hit.

    Add all that up, and it's quite reasonable that a small fraction of the presumably 20,000 office workers in these 85 floors perished.

    Realistically, the estimate of 85 floors and 20,000 people "supposed to have died" are way high. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I remember the number of high floors where no one survived only numbered about 12-20; according to this kook's numbers, that would bring the number of office workers in these floors down to the 5,000 range; factor in people not at their desks for any number of reasons, and 3,000 is both believable and accurate.

    So even if you weren't going to paint this guy as a kook for his anti-Israel, anti-semetic and anti-US rhetoric, look at his numbers. They don't add up.

    • The numbers are actually pretty bad on top of that.

      For a data point, WTC 1, the first tower to be hit, housed Cantor Fitzgerald securities. Cantor had floors 102 to 107 (107 was the top floor of tower 1), and they lost 600 people for 6 floors, and they were by far the most densely packed of the top floor tenants, especially at that time of the morning. (The brokers got in to get a jump on the markets)

      That's at best, then, assuming the 85 floor 'kill zone' is accurate (and it wasn't, given tower 2 had time
  • So fourteen thousand people got warned beforehand, and none of them told anyone outside of the conspiracy afterwards?

    Yeah, that seems kinda likely...
  • If it were true, then maybe my daughter's classmate wouldn't have lost his father on that terrible day.

    Maybe my son's teacher wouldn't have lost her husband.

    Maybe the man with the yarmulke, last seen carrying his wheelchair-bound coworker down the stairs of one of the towers, is still alive.

    Perhaps Joel Miller, [] who according to the NYTimes enrolled in the Jewish distance learning program [] where I work as a programmer, would still be taking courses with us.

    Perhaps these 19 people with 'Jewish' in their []

    • Why would somebody write this? -- Who has been spreading sick conspiracy theories about Jews for decades now?

      Search google for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The Protocols are arguably the most evil hoax ever, as it's responsible for a large number of pogroms, for the Holocaust, and probably for this piece of spam. Include "Maurice Joly" or "Russian secret police" in the search keywords to avoid the mountains of disgusting antisemitic sites you'll get. For example, here's an informative page [].

      The pro