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  • It has only be in the last 30 years or so that people think that religion and science are mutually exclusive. If you look back, you will see a lot of scientist that were religious as well. Evolution doesn't need anyone to water it down, it has so many holes that it is leaking water by itself.

    That said, I do not think ID should be taught. What should be taught is that the theory of evolution has problems, explain those problems and let students reason it out for themselves. The problem I have is that evolu

    • I didn't particularly want to get into this because I feel it's been discussed to death and people just wind up shouting at one another from their corners, but...

      First, it's certainly not in the last 30 years this has been an issue, or that there's been a tension between religion and science. Just look back at Darwin himself, all the discussion around his work, the Scopes trial in the US -- and that's just around evolution.

      I don't believe people who think ID should not be taught believe religion and science are mutually exclusive. That seems like a red herring aimed toward painting the anti-ID folks as anti-religious. What's most annoying is that it grossly simplifies what "religion" is -- basically, if you don't agree with my religion then yours ain't. Even the idea that they are mutually exclusive grossly simplifies both science and religion, as if two ideologies that have a few disagreements cannot coexist.

      But ID should not be taught because it's not science. Its fundamental assumption cannot be independently falsified, and to my mind that's core to what "science" is. It has a lot of respected scientists backing it and doing thoughtful research on it, but I don't think it can ever be accepted as a scientific theory nor taught as one.

      • I didn't think we shouted on use.perl? :)

        Anyway I agree that ID shouldn't be taught.

        • I count myself among the people shouting even though it happens very rarely, but I do try to keep an open mind. (Being married to someone who thinks differently than you is helpful for that :-) People often complain that nobody really listens to points of view different than their own, that people on different sides of an issue are just talking past one another. But it takes two to have a conversation and if one person isn't listening the other isn't either...

          This is not directed at anyone in particular,