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  • I've now been exclusively on Debian at home for several weeks now. I've not booted into Windows, and I'm really happy with my Debian/KDE system.

    At work I'm forced to use Win2K, and comparing the two is quite interesting.

    Windows has all it's eye-candy turned on, and it's underlying defaults wide open! You then need to configure about a zillion settings to make it safe and secure (well as far as you can...), then you have to install a whole slew of software to make it useful. For example to make it half u

    -- "It's not magic, it's work..."
    • I don't know that I'd consider Windows primitive. However, MSIE is absolutely primitive. There's been no innovation on it since Micros~1 "won" the browser war. (Actually, that should probably be "browser battle part 1" ... Firebird is going to breathe new life into the overall war). You can't block pop-ups, it doesn't have tabbed browsing, etc., etc., etc.

      I've happily been using Debian since January 2001, All of my servers at the house run it, and it's been running quite happily on my desktop at work


      If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me.

      • I don't think from my perspective that Windows is that sophisticated. Perhapse from a home or game using person XP is quite cool and feature complete, but for me it doesn't come with a reliable version of:

        • SSH and SSHD
        • Perl ;-)
        • Web Server, e.g. Apache
        • Any developemnt tools

        Now, I know that you can get Perl, SSH, Apache, and the Cygwin tool-kit, but they are only patches, and odd things still happen. Perl, SSH, Apache and the GNU tool-kit are much happier on a Unix/Unix like OS.

        I couldn't agree more that MSIE is a dinosaur. I've been playing with Opera 7.x of late, and it's very nice, Phoenix/Mozilla are fantastic, and I gather the more recent kHTML based browsers are also pretty good. Virtually all the modern browsers bar MSIE support tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking, and some form of ad-filtering, and half decent privicy protection.

        Don't get me started on MSIE/Outlook/Exchange and the spread of spam and viruses....

        I don't run "Windows for Teletubbies" at work, so I can't really compare it with my Debian desktop at home, but I find the features that got added to NT4 to create 2K annoying, and when I have used XP briefly I think it's terrible. I've never used Me or 2003, but for me the best Windows GUI was 98SE and NT, which didn't treat the user as a moron too much.

        On the whole I find the Windows defaults of locks that aren't locked great for getting in, and making things work (sort of), but you quickly find that everyone else can get in, and plugging the holes, and locking the doors is much harder than you ever expected. By default the whole Windows design ethos is flawed, and Microsoft knows this, but can't really fix it, as they still focus more on look'n'feel and ease of use over security and stability. I gather than 2003 has better defaults and some decent tools built in, but it's only a server version.

        At the end of the day Debian isn't perfect, but it's solid, reliable, and it's develped with security in mind. For me it's a good balance of form and function, and I can live with it and be happy.

        -- "It's not magic, it's work..."