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• That'd be a No (Score:1)

  by chromatic (983)

  Would chromatic and/or Mr. Turner care to comment about that?

  On a random website I just happened to read during non-work hours, on behalf of someone who apparently hasn't read Perl.com today? No, thank you.
  • Re: (Score:2)

    by Shlomi Fish (918)

    Hi! Thanks for your reply.

    Hmmm.... interesting: It seems that this Perl.com feed, which I was using to keep track of what's new in Perl.com [oreillynet.com] hasn't been updated in a while, despite several new additions to the site. Please fix it (I'll also email the webmaster.)

    As for reading Perl.com - I expect such sites as Perl.com to announce their new features in their web feeds, and have no time or patience to visit half-a-gazillion sites everday to see what's new. That's what RSS/Atom are for. Obviously, the Perl
    • Re: (Score:1)

      by chromatic (983)

      I wrote it here as a last resort. And I don't think it's any "random website", but that's a matter of taste.

      I have no time or patience to visit half-a-gazillion sites every day in the remote possibility that I might stumble across feedback from people who know how to send a message to the webmaster at perl dot com. Complaining in public is hardly a last resort when you didn't even try to ask anyone in private.

      I'm sure you feel perfectly justified in your own mind about the efficacy of complaining in publ
      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Shlomi Fish (918)

        Hey, if I had received replies to the two emails I sent (over a month ago), I would not have posted it here. But I didn't. I figured out an email to the webmaster would similarly be lost in confusion, if not even more so.

        I admit I don't know your job constraints, but if you've listened to the Perlcast interview with Tom Limoncelli about his "Time Management for Sys Admins" book [perlcast.com] (published by O'Reilly, who is your employer and the parent company of the O'ReillyNet sites), or read the transcription which I
        • Re: (Score:1)

          by chromatic (983)

          I apologise that I had to make this complaint public, but it seemed to me that I did not have any otherwise choice. I don't know why you didn't promptly reply to my emails with the article suggestions, but it was irresponsible on your part. You reap what you saw.

          Shlomi, this attitude is why you get banned from so many Perl communities. You don't read or listen (or perhaps you don't comprehend), and you come across as a stubborn, arrogant twit who loves to lecture people about how very simple the world wo
          • Re:That'd be a No (Score:2)

            by Shlomi Fish (918) <shlomif@iglu.org.il> on 2008.08.01 14:50 (#64157) Homepage Journal

            Hi chromatic!

            Thanks for your comment. See below for my response.

            Shlomi, this attitude is why you get banned from so many Perl communities

            You are right that I tend to get banned a lot. However, I'm not sure about the exact reasons why I am, or if they are what you describe. Can you please elaborate and exemplify these problems?

            You don't read or listen (or perhaps you don't comprehend), and you come across as a stubborn, arrogant twit who loves to lecture people about how very simple the world would be if everyone did exactly what you say.

            You are right in the sense that I may like to tell people how to improve. Do you mean the "the Mountain will come to Muhammad" fallacy?

            Approximately zero people in the world want to hear that, even if you're right (and again, you know precious little about my work and my constraints, so the likelihood of you being right is very small).

            Right.

            You're a smart guy, and you do some good work, but it is very difficult and draining to deal with you and your complaints and lectures and demands and justifications and oversimplifications.

            Thanks for the compliment regarding me being a smart guy who does some good work. As for the reasons for me being "difficult and draining" - I'm not sure I got to the bottom of what you meant. Anything more specific you can say would be appreciated.

            I don't want to hear from you again, in public or private, until you fix your attitude. Can you understand that?

            Well, fixing my attitude will take some time and effort. I have my share of psychological deficiencies (including a mental illness [perl.org]), and improving myself takes time. I cannot stop working on FOSS and articles until all my problems are gone, partly because I need the practice. I can try to stop complaining and preaching from now on, but like I said - these things take time.

            Do you have any concrete advice for Do's and Don't?

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            • Re: (Score:2)

              by petdance (2468)

              You are right in the sense that I may like to tell people how to improve.

              Since you asked about how you can improve, I'll point out that what you describe is called "unsolicited advice," and it's rude. Here's a fabulous few paragraphs from Judith Martin on the topic (also at http://xoa.petdance.com/Unsolicited_advice [petdance.com])

              It is rude to call people's attention to their shortcomings, no matter how much you have their welfare at heart. It is rude to assume that anyone other than minors in your custody is less c

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