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  • It also misunderstands the very nature of faith, in that it in no way conflicts with science, which is largely the point here.

    So... about that six day thing... no conflict?
    • So... about that six day thing... no conflict?

      Since that is not in the Bible, yes, no conflict. What the Genesis account actually refers to are indefinite time periods, which many have translated as "days."

      That said, even if it did, science does not exclude the possibility of the supernatural. That's a common misunderstanding of science.
      • Since that is not in the Bible, yes, no conflict.

        I guess that is the great thing about Christianity... you can choose your flavor.

        My bible, a King James Version, most definitely has it in there.
        Genesis chapter 1
         
        Day #    Verses
          1        1 - 5
          2        6 - 8
          3        9 - 13
          4        14 - 19
          5        20 - 23
          6        24 - 31
        And don't even get me started with things like Genesis 9:29 claiming that Noah lived to be 950 years old.

        What the Genesis account actually refers to are indefinite time periods, which many have translated as "days."

        So... when I see Genesis 1:13 saying:
        And the evening and the morning were the third day.
        I don't have to believe this?

        Not only are they off, but that they are off by AT LEAST some multiple of 365 million? As in millions of years for the life... billions of years for the stars and planets.

        If the translations are that poor, then the entire work is suspect.

        Maybe I should look into the god thing again... when I went to church, that was the definition of faith... accepting that "the word of god" was true. (Of course, I could easily blame that on being a Southern Baptist... if that helps.)

        Is there some special bible that I can get that tells me which verses aren't really "real"? That would be a HUGE help! Right now, mine just has red text to indicate what god was supposed to have said...

        ID most definitely conflicts with my religious upbringing and the teachings of every church I have attended.
        • My bible, a King James Version, most definitely has it in there.

          So? The original Hebrew is unclear about how long this time period is. It was translated as "day" but that is a judgment call by the translators.

          If the translations are that poor, then the entire work is suspect.

          If a translation is poor, that reflects on the original text? That's stupid.

          Look, you obviously a. don't understand the issues of textual criticism enough to have a serious discussion about it and b. don't give a damn about ha
          • If a translation is poor, that reflects on the original text?

            Not the original text, the translation. You know, the part used by almost every church in the United States.

            Look, you obviously a. don't understand the issues of textual criticism enough to have a serious discussion about it

            I do know that I was talking about the Bible, as used in the overwhelming majority of Christian religions in the United States.

            I also know that I was talking about the practice of Christianity based on said book.

            And, I

          • So? The original Hebrew is unclear about how long this time period is. It was translated as "day" but that is a judgment call by the translators.

            The original Hebrew word used is "yom," which pretty much just means "day." I know there are some authorities out there who now claim that can mean an indefinite period, but pretty much any place where "yom" means an indefinite time period is either prophetic or poetic.

            It's my understanding that there's no linguistic reason to speculate that the Creation acc

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            • The original Hebrew word used is "yom," which pretty much just means "day." I know there are some authorities out there who now claim that can mean an indefinite period, but pretty much any place where "yom" means an indefinite time period is either prophetic or poetic.

              Yes, but that is just begging the question. The basic rule for the word is that context determines its meaning, just like our own "day." But the problem here is that *we don't know the context.* The Genesis account is unique. No humans
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