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  • “The soviet union’s atheist regime killed 20 million”

    That just takes the cake – the irony is killing me. The Nazi regime had the Vatican’s full blessing, y’know? And what about the inquisition? The crusades? Talk about living in the glass house and throwing stones.

    I’m sorry, but wasn’t the earth created about 6000 years ago according the bible?

    No, it wasn’t.

    The funny thing about your question is, though, that most “religious” peopl

    • The Nazi regime had the Vatican’s full blessing, y’know? And what about the inquisition? The crusades? Talk about living in the glass house and throwing stones.

      Well 2 of those are fully Roman Catholic, and I could argue for days why they happened and why they weren't "christian". The Crusades is a good one but I don't think it was "christian" either but more "political".

      I would also say "full blessing" is incorrect as well. Certainly the Roman Catholic church did bad things but I am pretty sure the Pope didn't say "Go kill millions of Jews, it's okay." and even if the Pope did say that I would say ding ding not "christian". I could go on for days about the "Po

      • If you’re gonna get into that sort of game, I’m also going to declare “political, nothing to do with atheism” for the Soviet Union claim and then the argument disappears in a puff of smoke. Just as well, really, since that leaves the advocates of faith in a better position than if their argument was valid but wrong.

        • Maybe I could ask this. Why do you think the crusades were "christian"?
          • by Matts (1087) on 2007.04.11 9:08 (#54343) Journal
            From Wikipedia:

            The Crusades were a series of military conflicts of a religious character waged by Christians from 1095-1291, usually sanctioned by the Pope in the name of Christendom,[1] with the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the sacred "Holy Land" from Muslim rule and originally launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuq dynasty into Anatolia.[2][3]
            Looks pretty christian to me.
            • I actually read that and I don't agree with wikipedia.

              The original crusades (Pope Urban II) were defensive measures against almost 4 centuries of Muslim conquest and warfare.

              There is a lot of history in that period. Just because the Roman Catholic church and the "Pope" were involved, doesn't make it "christian".

              It is a very good study in history, politics and yes religion.
              • I actually read that and I don't agree with wikipedia.
                You should go in there and fix it then :-)
                • Well, it is a mixed bag with the Crusades. Not as Christian as many atheists want to believe, but not devoid of Christianity either.

                  It's similar to the Iraq War: many people think it is a religious war, when it clearly is not, but there are certainly religious motivations and influences behind many of the people involved (on all sides).

                  As to fixing Wikipedia ... jeez, one simple fix can take weeks to defend and then it will still be removed anyway. :-)
                  • Well, it is a mixed bag with the Crusades. Not as Christian as many atheists want to believe, but not devoid of Christianity either.

                    Thank you for that. It was my thought but I couldn't get it out

                • Indeed, wikipedia needs a more truthy version...