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  • Israel (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ziggy (25) on 2003.03.18 15:54 (#18043) Journal
    Israel is the only country in the world that is able to commit so many atrocities without anybody stopping them.
    Israel is the only country in the world that is not at peace with its neighbors in the region. It is also the only country in the world where its neighbors have tried to annihilate them no less than 4 times in 50 years. It is also the only country in the world where a militant, determined, suicidal terrorist group is adamantly trying to deny its right to exist and actively attempts to kill its (non-combatant) citizens.

    And before you complain about the supposed "atrocities" commited by the Israeli government, consider all of the atrocities committed by the Iraqi government on its citizens. Are those acts somehow less objectionable because the US is now on the verge of "stopping them"? Or are they acceptable for some other reason?

    Israel seems determined to repeat the horrors of kosovo and south africa against non-jewish and arabic populations.
    If this were even remotely true, there would have been a united, sustained global outcry, followed by sanctions and a policy of containment or regime change, or UN-sanctioned military action. None of those has happened. And the assertion Israel's treatment of Palestinians (and bulldozing of American protesters who put themselves in harm's way) is in any way like the policy of Apartheid, or Balkan-style ethnic cleansing is patently false.
    It is time we sent the UN into israel, backed by force naturally because like Hitler, Sharon was elected but is as great a danger to the world as Saddam.
    Claiming that Sharon is like Hitler does not make it so. It only invokes Godwin's Law.

    The only danger in the world to day that is as great or greater than Saddam Hussein are the endless stream of constant protests that put forth the proposition that terrorists are somehow innocent bystanders who have been horribly wronged and are most certainly undeserving of the massive and assymetric state-sponsored retaliations they face on a daily basis.

    Governments who protect their citizens are acting well within their sovereign rights. Claims to the contrary by the misinformed do not change this basic fact.

    • If this were even remotely true, there would have been a united, sustained global outcry, followed by sanctions and a policy of containment or regime change, or UN-sanctioned military action. None of those has happened.

      Huh? This has happened. Most of the rest of the world has repeatedly condemned Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians. This goes back a long way. There was a UN resolution condemning the 1967 war of expansion. More recently, in September of 2002, a UN security council resolution c
    • Why should I consider any country in comparison to Israel, just because of countries commit atrocities it does not make it OK for israel to do the same.

      There is a long list of countries that commit atrocities against their own and other people : Burma, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, Iraq, The Balkans, Russia, China, North Korea.

      Israel is just another of these countries, and I have singled it out because the technical and international communities seem determined to pretend it isn't happening.

      Where did I say

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      • If the UK had the same attitudes to terrorism it would have continued to escalate after 'the troubles' in the 70's but diplomacy and talking has lead to not only a cease-fire but shared government of the region.

        Someone from Northern Ireland (well educated and I believe well informed) said that the real reason that the IRA moved towards a ceasefire had nothing to do with diplomacy. Instead it was because the loyalist terror groups were killing more Catholics than the the IRA was killing Protestants, and w

      • Why should I consider any country in comparison to Israel, just because of countries commit atrocities it does not make it OK for israel to do the same.

        There is a long list of countries that commit atrocities against their own and other people : Burma, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, Iraq, The Balkans, Russia, China, North Korea.

        Israel is just another of these countries, and I have singled it out because the technical and international communities seem determined to pretend it isn't happening.

        If you really

        • I really believe these atrocities are unacceptable anywhere.

          I frequently mention Isreal because it is one of the worst regimes and is under-reported and has so many people trying to excuse it.

          Palestine is now one of the worlds most poverty-stricken areas and isreal actively prevents the UN and Aid agencies doing their jobs.

          Even burma doesn't do that to its people. I haven't mentioned Burma or tibet for a long time because both are moving forward, slowly but still faster than israel.

          I also mention is

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          • I really believe these atrocities are unacceptable anywhere.

            Your incessant chest-beating about Israel, to the exclusion of all other incidents, does not support this statement.

            I also mention isreal because I keep on seeing Jewish, American and Isreali commentators defending it - a very real case of 'the lady doth protest too much'.

            The only case of the lady doth protest too much I see here is your anti-Israel stance cloaked in the garb of general moral outrage. If you were genuinely concerned ab

            • Isreal is one of the worst offendors and unlike many other places where human rights are curtailed it has an elected government - this means people voted for this kind of ghettoisation and deliberate actions against palestine.

              Unlike China, Burma and Iraq where regimes are imposed (often with Western complicity and support) - Isreal chose to follow this course and it is the will of the people making it more like Kosovo and Serbia where Milosovic was elected. Just as Milosovic and Serbia were a problem, so

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              • > This is just not right, and I suppose you know this. In fact, the level of oppression of minorities in Israel is very low, probibly lower than nations such as France, or even America. It certainly comes nothing close, despite being under a 50 year war against it based exclussively on racism in the surrounding Muslim culture, to the systematic rapes of women in Iraq, the massive murder of Jews in Iran, the Cultural Revolution of China which caused nearly 15 percent of the native Chinese population to
              • Isreal is one of the worst offendors and unlike many other places where human rights are curtailed it has an elected government - this means people voted for this kind of ghettoisation and deliberate actions against palestine.>>

                This is just not right, and I suppose you know this. In fact, the level of oppression of minorities in Israel is very low, probibly lower than nations such as France, or even America.

                It certainly comes nothing close, despite being under a 50 year war against it based exclu

    • Israel is the only country in the world that is not at peace with its neighbors in the region. It is also the only country in the world where its neighbors have tried to annihilate them no less than 4 times in 50 years. It is also the only country in the world where a militant, determined, suicidal terrorist group is adamantly trying to deny its right to exist and actively attempts to kill its (non-combatant) citizens.

      Actually, this also describes India and Pakistan (almost) dead on in regards to Kashm