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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • I really really hate advice along these lines. Yes, the system is completely corrupt, and no one of true integrity can get far enough to be voted for. So what should we do?

    Simply saying "don't vote for Obama" is spectacularly useless. The question is not what we shouldn't do, but rather what we can do to change things.

    My take on this is that this year, if you care about improving the world a little, you might as well vote for Obama. He sucks, but sucks a little less than McCain, and there's no other viable

    • of course, i buy natural/local or grow food myself, go everywhere by bike i can, educate myself and other people, also bit involved in spirituality. shure its counterproductive to tell others what to do but i wanted to keep this shout short and not discuss every pro and con. it was just a short reaction when i saw how many perl monks where too blind to see obamas new clothings.
      • the real solution i see in spirituality, which in fact translates into the love and caring about the people you know and see.
        • I don't consider myself a spiritual person, and yet I care about people. People will have different paths towards similar ends.

          The best way to change the world is to advocate for practical change. Saying "be spiritual" is useless, and may even be counter-productive if you're talking to an empiricist like myself. Saying "care about others" is no better.

          Instead, you can say "The environment is a major issue, especially global warming. If global warming continues we will all suffer. Here are a few steps you can take to start reducing your carbon output."

          That's useful. So is saying stuff like "Person X is an unusually worthy politician, please support their campaign and vote for them if you can" or "please support this specific piece of legislation by contacting X and asking them to vote in favor of it."

          My experience as an activist has been that you can't just tell people "X is bad", whether that X is meat, Obama, or global warming. You also need to provide some sort of practical advice on how that person can help.

          • my point was that it is spiritual to care, no matter how you name it.

            and thats really the way to heal and solve our problems. to waste time with that election is no solution. i just wanted to maybe help somebody to see that fraud, because you must be first aware of these things and be able to recognize these when they come in new clothes so you can't be tricked. Global warming and many othe sudo problems distrac to many people.

            you have to trust yourself and heal you from psychic problems before you ca
          • allright, i could start with the simple stuff: clean your body. eat the least meat you can do, no soft drinks, no junk food, no industrial sugar or salt, tooth paste without floride. organic food is not only more healthy but it tastes also much better. but thats the usual stuff you can read everywhere.

            what i really believe is most powerfull way to empower yourself is connect to god. when you calm down, thoughts are still and you know god from inner experience. Since i do that, i feel more like myself, mo
            • As I said, I'm not spiritual, I don't believe in god, and I don't think that the "feeling of love in your heart" means anything. I disagree with almost everything you're saying (except eat less meat and eat organic), but at least it's something people can do.

              I'm sure what you say would resonate with some people, though, and at least it's more positive than "don't vote for Obama, that's not smart".