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  • According to the excellent YSlow plugin [yahoo.com] for Firefox, about 900K of that is uncompressed YUI javascript. There's no excuse for that -- the raw YUI libraries are very well documented, which is pointless for a production website. I use scriptaculous [aculo.us] and prototype.js [prototypejs.org] for my own work and I use yuicompressor [yahoo.com] to squish my JS and then gzip it. Gzipped content works smoothly on all browsers except Safari.

    To make it work with Safari too, you have name your file .jsgz instead of .js.gz and then do the following in
    • More to the point, does ANY of that shit get used on the front page?

      If not, and they are just there for caching purposes, the script tags can be moved down to the end of the page just before the so that the page renders FIRST and doesn't block while it pulls the JavaScript to cache it.
      • When I complained about the horrendously long load times due to Javascript [perl.org], pudge nitpicked my whatever it was about how I complained about it, basically told me I have no idea what I am talking about, and refused to engage the question on technical grounds to any extent whatsoever. Maybe if the complaint comes from someone he doesn’t personally dislike, he’ll actually manage to listen.

        • When I complained about the horrendously long load times due to Javascript [perl.org], pudge nitpicked my whatever it was about how I complained about it
          False. I argued against your actual points where you were incorrect.

          basically told me I have no idea what I am talking about
          False. I told you that you had no idea what you were talking about in certain aspects. I even said you were right about some things, but obviously wrong about others.

          and refused to engage the question on technical grounds to any extent whatsoever
          Utterly false, as anyone can plainly see from the discussion.
          • refused to engage the question on technical grounds to any extent whatsoever

            Utterly false, as anyone can plainly see from the discussion.

            A fine claim, considering your comment elsewhere on this thread:

            I just couldn’t care less to explain myself in such situations

            Yes, anyone can plainly see that from the discussion.

            You have literalism down to a fine art.

            • A fine claim, considering your comment elsewhere on this thread:
              Shrug. The discussion you linked to contained technical discussion by me. Feel free to continue to misrepresent, though.
              • I quoted your own words. Feel free to continue to misrepresent, though.

                • I quoted your own words.
                  Not any that backed up your claim.

                  Feel free to continue to misrepresent, though.
                  I don't.

                  • Wrong and wrong.

                    • Huh. What reality do you live in where me saying that I don't care to explain myself to you means that I actually didn't actually discuss anything technical? Especially when the discussion shows that I did?

                      I don't really want you to explain that odd claim you're making, because I know you can't, and won't. I just wanted to point out you're being a stupid asshole, as usual.

                    • Telling people that they are stupid, arseholes, or both, is just what you do. You didn’t have to bother mentioning your desire to do so.

                      The reality I live in is the one in which picking out the bits where you can justifiably tell the other person they're wrong while completely ignoring everything else is and remains a refusal to engage the question. Whether or not you answered anything technical is, again, picking out something where you can justifiably use a literal interpretation of what I said to

                    • Telling people that they are stupid, arseholes, or both, is just what you do.

                      Nope. I almost never do it, actually. That you see me do it as a relatively high percentage of my posts does not mean other people do.

                      The reality I live in is the one in which picking out the bits where you can justifiably tell the other person they're wrong while completely ignoring everything else is and remains a refusal to engage the question

                      I didn't do that, of course, as the discussion showed.

                      Oh. But you probably don't mean "completely," "ignoring," or "everything else." I guess I shouldn't take you literally. You probably mean simply "not answering everything to my utter satisfaction," and to this charge, I not only plead guilty, but I do it proudly.

                    • That you see me do it as a relatively high percentage of my posts does not mean other people do.

                      I read every single thing that gets posted on use.perl, not just things in direct reply to me. If I see it, others see it too.

                      You probably mean simply “not answering everything to my utter satisfaction”

                      No, that’s not what I mean. Entirely contrarily to your apparent idea of who I am, a simple “go away” would, in fact, have been satisfactory enough. You didn’t care you

                    • No, that's not what I mean.

                      Hm. So what did you mean? If I am to take what you said literally, then you are living on another planet, because your description, taken literally, does not represent reality. So I gave an option of how to take you nonliterally. Have you another?

                      your sense of smugness

                      Wow, this is the pot calling the china black ...

                      so you had to engage in a passive-aggressive dance of being right

                      Ditto.

                      And as far as I'm concerned, you needn't lift a finger to fix the megabyte-size front page

                      And as far as I'm concerned, what you want has no effect on me whatsoever anyway.

                      My mistake was bringing my plight to you in hopes that you might consider this something obviously worth fixing for everyone who visits the site

                      Oh, fuck yourself with an anvil. Your mistake was in being an asshole to me, plain and simple.

                    • so you had to engage in a passive-aggressive dance of being right

                      Ditto.

                      Wrong. None of that thread had anything to do with me trying to be right about anything. I wanted to know whether this issue would be fixed on the site or I would have to fix it locally. Instead of saying anything useful, you told me that I was wrong about various of my guesses. So I tried to get an answer as to whether any site features I use require Javascript, which you wouldn’t answer with a straight yes or no either.

                      Y

                    • None of that thread had anything to do with me trying to be right about anything.

                      Riiiiiiiiight. Pull the other one.

                      So I tried to get an answer as to whether any site features I use require Javascript

                      You also tried to be an asshole. And you succeeded!

                      I never said you were an arsehole, I said you were an asshole. And yes, lines like the interface I do actually use is trivial to implement without any use of Javascript whatsoever (as if you could possibly know that) and So how about giving an example of how a feature I use requires YUI stuff, instead of skirting the matter with "you don't know what it's for" hints? are good examples of your assholishness. Thanks for

            • Why on earth are you feeding the troll? You've seen him in action before and he loves nothing better than to insult people, distort their arguments and generally completely ignore valid points they have. Once he's made his mind up, he's completely unwilling to listen to reason.