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  • I know there are a lot of people who idolize him but I personally found him misleading, incorrect and downright bullshitting. I don't like the hype around him and usually I disagree with much of the things he says. Unfortunately some people gubble up his every word.

    I agree with you on the education issue. It's tricky, and I do believe the most damage is done by the government's attempt to control budgets and trying to calculate something - anything - to try to evaluate where the money should go. George Carl

    • I don't like the hype/cult around Joel either, but I'm still an avid reader of his articles because I find them funny, amusing and usually insightful, or otherwise giving good food for thoughts and acting as a useful starting point for further discussion of the matter. I don't always agree with what Joel says, and naturally buy everything he says with a grain of salt, but still find value in what he says.

      It seems there's often an opposite phenomenon from what you describe - that many times I mention some

      • I don't like the hype/cult around Joel either, but [...] I don't always agree with what Joel says, and naturally buy everything he says with a grain of salt, but [...]

        That's funny you should say stuff like that. You seemed to me like someone who adores Joel. I'll elaborate on this below.

        It seems there's often an opposite phenomenon from what you describe - that many times I mention something that Joel says for support someone gives an ad-hominem attack [wikipedia.org] saying how much Joel sucks and how much it means my article is invalid.

        I think you're missing the point. Yes, people do sometimes have a knee-jerk response of attacking Joel instead of saying "you're incorrect and here's why" but you have the most annoying habit of simply quoting Joel instead of saying why you think he's correct. It really pisses me (and other people) off. Many times in a debate you pull out a Joel fortune cookie as if it's going to win your

        • Well, since we're down to personal accusations and pointless discussions on who ultimately has the burden of proof lies, allow me to invoke Godwin's Law [wikipedia.org] and end this discussion: you are a Nazi!

          OK, I've lost, now let's go on with the rest of our lives. I'll continue to link to Joel when and if I agree with him. If you think he (or whomever I'm citing) is wrong and you expect to convince me that you are right, then you'll need to give me a proper argument explaining why and where he is wrong. Otherwise, I'

          • Well, since we're down to personal accusations and pointless discussions on who ultimately has the burden of proof lies, allow me to invoke Godwin's Law [wikipedia.org] and end this discussion: you are a Nazi!

            No dice! I'll invoke the Reverse Godwin's Law [just invented] which goes by: "I may be a Nazi, but you're still dead wrong!".

            The beginning offending post was your comment saying I "tend to throw many arguments in the air without giving proper explanation". It's not correct and it's offending. I understand you don't find it so, because you're the one who said it so you give very little (to none) fuck of other people being offended. That's fine, but don't try to turn this into "we're down to personal accusations [the moment you replied to me]".

            OK, I've lost, now let's go on with the rest of our lives. I'll continue to link to Joel when and if I agree with him.

            As usual, any criticism towards you went right over your head. You're completely blind to it. Nothing short of astounding. My criticism was that you cannot simply link to Joel or provide a quote. "Joel said" IS NOT AN ARGUMENT!

            If you think he (or whomever I'm citing) is wrong and you expect to convince me that you are right, then you'll need to give me a proper argument explaining why and where he is wrong.

            I did, you ignored it. I said I did again, and you again ignored it. It simply isn't worth explaining things to you because a concrete wall is indeed a better listener/reader. How awful.

            Otherwise, I'll remain convinced in my original opinion,

            Color me surprised! Oh wait.. I'm not. You'll stick by your opinions even when someone iterated why they're wrong. You've done so in the past, you're doing so now and you will in the future.

            When trying to convince someone else of your opinion, the burden of proof is on you

            So wait, let me get this straight: if you want to claim something, you need to prove your claim? You mean I can't just pull a Joel quote out of my a^W^Wsomewhere? My dear god, it means... why, it means you can't do it either!

            [...] because that someone should not and probably will not listen to your rejection of their opinion by faith alone.

            Here's some more criticism that went flying over your head at 500km/h. I never said you should listen to me. Even when I provide arguments (which in most cases I do), I don't assume on your acceptance. However you do assume that people should accept whatever you opinion is because there's a Joel link there! That's cargo cult, that's bullshit, that's what I was talking about.

            Anyway, enjoy your victory. ;-)

            It's like beating a child in a game. Sure, you won, but it's not like you were competing on the same level with him.

            I gave actual criticism (spiced with rugged behavior - which I am apparently somewhat good at), what you provided is complete blindness and personal belief of absolute correctness. It's a pity, for such a bright bright mind (yes, twice the brightness), you can often be rather dense.

            I still like you though :)