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  • I don't know much about Clinton, so I won't say anything about that. Certainly
    my default reaction is suspicion of anyone in any sort of position of authority.
    Of course, that typically applies to his detractors as much as to him.

    If you're looking into comparisons, you might also be interested in looking up
    the Carlyle Group. The most egregious bit of that that I've heard about is the
    United Defense pump-and-dump.

    • "If you're looking into comparisons, you might also be interested in looking up the Carlyle Group."

      Blech - more sickening corruption. This is why I'm voting for Nader this year. It's not even about Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative any more. It's about corporate vs non-corporate.

      Maybe we need a revolution.

      • > Blech - more sickening corruption. This is why I'm voting for Nader this year.
        > It's not even about Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative any more.
        > It's about corporate vs non-corporate.

        Unfortunately, given the structure of our society (a social-democratic
        capitalist republic), voting for self-proclaimed reformers is typically of
        limited utility. The problem is with the social structure, not just with the
        individuals in charge. Though it does appear to me that current batch of people
        in
        • We need a *particular type* of revolution. I think the organizing principle of society should be worker control.

          The problem is that less than 1 percent of the populace would agree with you about that. I'd be surprised if you could even get 1 percent of people on this site to agree with you. We fought major wars to defeat communism, and we're still, as a people, as against it as ever.
          • > The problem is that less than 1 percent of the populace
            > would agree with you about that. I'd be surprised if you
            > could even get 1 percent of people on this site to agree
            > with you. We fought major wars to defeat communism, and
            > we're still, as a people, as against it as ever.

            The Leninist dictatorship-of-the-party is a far cry from
            anarchist societies that people have actually created on
            the ground. I hope you'll take the time to read a bit about
            what the anarchists achieved in Spain [struggle.ws].

            The Communist Party is not the only alternative to
            capitalism. Mistaking an anarchist for an advocate of state
            control is a pretty big error. The modern US Republican
            Party is a lot closer.
            • I hope you'll take the time to read about how every worker-run nation has failed in short order, unless kept in control by force.

              Mistaking an anarchist for an advocate of state control is a pretty big error. The modern US Republican Party is a lot closer [to communism].

              I hope you say that when you try to convince people of revolution, because it will succeed in nothing but making people realize how wacky your ideas are.
              • Try looking at things along the authoritarian / libertarian
                axis. The current US administration seems very
                authoritarian to me. I imagine you have heard about the
                "confidential" memo in which the Justice Dept. asserted that
                the President has the right to set aside US law during
                wartime?

                Combine that with their plan for never-ending war, and I
                think that's pretty authoritarian. And in the end, not that
                different from the current regime in China.