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  • I for one am tired of having racism identified with the right. I'm tired of hearing people tell me I should change parties because my party is right wing and so was Hitler, as if there were any similarities between the two.

    I don't think "left" and "right" is adequate to describe the spectrum anymore.

    J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
    • I disagree that "left" and "right" are inadequate. They are of course insufficient, and of course there are points of agreement between the two, but the facts show (at least here in France) that those two sides have different agendas and different methods, and that the distinction is mostly consistent. I also think that the circle metaphore is only punctually correct and generally useless, and that the positioning on a square/map is about as relevant as psychological tests in lousy magazines.



      -- Robin Berjon []

      • Well, the problem to me is that in general, there is a standard understanding of which position on an issue is "left" and which is "right." Now, in general I'd be "right," but unfortunately some of the points of view that are called right not only don't describe me, but don't describe most conservatives I know. Racism is identified with the "right," but I know very few right-wing American racists. The libertarian site with the quiz I took yesterday said most people on the right were in favor of censorship. I'm a 100% free speech guy, myself (I'm in favor of people being allowed to say all kinds of things I disagree with, and sometimes I even argue in favor of the proverbial shout of "fire" in a crowded theater.) Most people on the right I know value the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (the free speech amendment) more than just about any other written document on the planet. It seems the libertarians say "right" means censorship because supposedly the "right" includes a lot of religious people who want legislation passed to restrict disagreement with their religion. Haven't met many of those people.

        So that's all I mean when I say it's inadequate. No one really fits on a spot on that scale.

        f I were to try to get you to change, I'd first find out about your ideas and if I find myself to disagree, try to argue.

        Can you come over here and teach some Americans how to act like that? :)

        J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
        • I think that there may be historical reasons for this inadequacy, ie that maybe it is adequate here but not over there.

          In France, before the Dreyfus affair, it was possible (and in fact not uncommon) to be on the left and racist. After the Dreyfus affair, it became completely impossible and thus racism became a right thing. That habit hasn't changed since.

          In the US there was no Dreyfus affair, and that may have had an influence.


          -- Robin Berjon []