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  • So what?

    I don't mean "Who cares?" I mean "What are you going to do about it?"

    Well, *I* mean "who cares?"

    From where I sit use.perl.org is just fine and Perl is doing OK too. If people disagree, they should already be doing something. If they aren't doing something they either don't think there's a problem or don't care enough to fix it.

    I think fishing for help is usually the wrong thing to do. If you have to work hard to get help to solve a problem then you're looking at the wrong problem.

    • Have you noticed how many people have trouble staying logged in?

      Have you noticed the complaints that journals no longer show up by default when you are not logged in?

      Both of these started with the upgrade. I reported both to you in email. I have seen multiple people complain about them. Neither has been addressed.

      I admit that I don't care enough to create and administer a replacement site. But I for one don't consider this state of affairs fine.

      • Have you noticed how many people have trouble staying logged in?

        No. I've only seen about two people complain about it, and neither has offered me any help in figuring it out.

        Have you noticed the complaints that journals no longer show up by default when you are not logged in?

        No, just you. And I don't think "no longer" is accurate, as I don't think it showed up at some other time either.

        Both of these started with the upgrade.

        "The" upgrade?

        I reported both to you in email.

        I have no record of you reporting trouble staying logged in.

        I have seen multiple people complain about them.

        I have not.

        Neither has been addressed.

        The former, I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence from two (now you, three) people, with no information helping me figure it out (despite some requests). I do not recognize any actual problem at t

        • Journals used to show up by default whether or not I was logged in before the server switch you described in http://use.perl.org/~pudge/journal/37237 [perl.org]. Which is the upgrade that I was talking about.

          I might not have complained to you when the login problem happened. I first noticed it on Oct 22 as described at http://use.perl.org/~btilly/journal/37722 [perl.org]. The problem seems to have mediated itself since, I only find myself expectedly logged out about once a week now. What information can I give on that that i

          • Journals used to show up by default whether or not I was logged in before the server switch you described in http://use.perl.org/~pudge/journal/37237 [perl.org]. Which is the upgrade that I was talking about.

            Bizarre. The only reason it wouldn't show up is data, and the data didn't change, it was just carried over (and there were almost no code changes). I see no reason why this (or any update) would have changed this.

            I'm browsing along as normal. I click on someone's journal. I am no longer logged in. Everything I click on says tat I am logged out. I login. Problem gone for a while.

            Assuming you actually are not logged in: Does your IP address change, possibly, between clicks? What browser? If Firefox, any extensions that could be interfering?

            But don't think it is not real and not annoying.

            I don't; sorry if that's how you took it. I just don't at this point believe it is a widespread problem, or that the site is necessarily causing it. But I am open to such possibilities, and I'll try to narrow it down.

            • And here we have an example of the stellar responsiveness we've come to expect.

              I don't know why the default changed last August, but it did. Your assumption that I was not logged in is bad, because I was on a page that was logged in, said my name and all, clicked a link and was logged out. Or, as happened to me 5 minutes ago, I clicked on a link in my email and landed at a logged out page when I had done the same an hour earlier and saw a logged in page. I have experienced this with Firefox 2 and no exte

              • And here we have an example of the stellar responsiveness we've come to expect.

                I don't really care if you two argue, but can you find a better place than in the comments to this journal entry? Thanks.

              • __utm[abc] cookies are usually Urchin AKA Google Analytics, iirc.
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            • I'm browsing along as normal. I click on someone's journal. I am no longer logged in. Everything I click on says tat I am logged out. I login. Problem gone for a while.

              Assuming you actually are not logged in: Does your IP address change, possibly, between clicks? What browser? If Firefox, any extensions that could be interfering?

              If it helps, here is another data point...

              I read the journals via bloglines. I'm using FireFox 2.x. I have it configured to open a new tab when I middle click on a journal entry.

              I just opened up 8 journal entries. The seventh one did not have me logged in. (but the sixth and eighth ones did)

              Not knowing a darn thing about your setup... I'd guess you have a backend server that could not find the required info for my account while the other backends could.

              P.S. Can someone relay this to Pudge? (I'm on his foe l

            • For what it's worth, I'm seeing frequent random logouts this morning - I've been on the site less than an hour and my session has vanished from underneath me 3 times now.

              I have quite a few (well, half a dozen) tabs open to various bits of the site, that's about the only thing I'm doing that I can even vaguely see as being the cause of any issues. I'm definitely on a static IP.

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