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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • There is part of me that just wants to yell, "FOR FUCK'S SAKE IT'S A 40 BY 40 PICTURE! SUCK IT UP YOU BAG OF WHINGERS!" So I will. And it's not just at you, hex, it's more a building frustration that this Gravatar thing frames.

    You know what really pisses me off? What ever happened to "hey, cool idea! A little rough around the edges, but I see where you're going." Maybe even, "here's a patch to make it better." No, I get "it doesn't do EXACTLY what I want EXACTLY the way I want it so I'm going to bloc
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      Ok, send feedback to Graham via proper channels. You don't like something? HELP FIX IT! Bitching is not doing.

      I'm sorry, but when it comes to THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT SITE IN THE ENTIRE PERL WORLD, I like to discuss things in public. Because you know what? There's no mailing list for it. No newsgroup. No wiki. use.perl is the closest thing we have. If you, Graham or brian aren't happy with a public and gravely important community website being discussed in public, that's tough luck.

      Are you going to work on it? No? Then why do you care?

      Did I say I wouldn't work on it? No, I didn't. Please don't stuff your assumptions into my mouth. I guess I have to talk slowly here: Maybe... if... search.cpan... is... OPEN SOURCE... then people... will... VOLUNTEER PATCHES.

      Think about that for a minute.

      What ever happened to rough consensus and running code?

      Whatever happened to showing the code to us so we can do stuff with it? Whatever happened to demo versions with custom patches? Whatever happened to treating users like adults, rather than telling them to ask daddy for a change to the big important website?

      That's what made Perl great, pragmatism.

      Pragmatism is open source. search.cpan is not open source. (And brian obviously thinks pragmatism is "go reinvent the wheel for your own clone site despite the blindingly obvious fact that nobody will use it because 99.9% of all Perl module users use search.cpan".)

      No, we're not going to have a community discussion about it.

      Too late, you're already in one.

      • 99.9% of all Perl module users use search.cpan

        You're in a vicious cycle. Nobody will write something different because everyone uses search.cpan.org. Everyone uses search.cpan.org because nobody has written something different. (Not to dis on kobeserach, of course, but it's also mostly the same as search.cpan.org. There's little radically different.)

        But the attitude of "this is the site that everyone uses" is exactly the centralization that Schwern is talking about. Where are the CPAN mashups?

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        • Where are the CPAN APIs?

          • Make your own mirror. You have all you need to make aristotlecpan.com.
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            • What is that non-sequitur a reply to?

              Your asked where the CPAN mashups are. I answered that the existing services provide no APIs, so no mashups get written. And no, a dump of several gigabytes worth of moderately inconsistent data in quirky formats does not an API constitute.

      • You know the beautiful thing about perl is that I can mostly disappear for a few years, have a kid, not give a damn and casually stroll through one evening out of curiosity and find the same shit going around the spin cycle. I giggle at the thought of Schwern telling anyone to offer Graham patches. Holy fuck, what a sadist he is. :)

        That code likely rates so high on the scale of milibarrs that it would inflict rapid cranial decompression for most who would gaze lustily upon it. It has been almost a decade