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  • by zatoichi (4897) on 2004.08.20 9:09 (#33552) Journal
    And that attitude is why I will not vote for Kerry.
    • I do quarrel with logic that says, "Stupid people are associated with X, therefore X is stupid." Stupid people are associated with everything.
      --Larry Wall
      • I'm not zaotoichi and I only speak for myself, but I don't think it's stupid.

        I think it's poisonous.

        I don't really want to associate with the kind of people whose entire raison d'etre seems to be "we aren't _______". That goes for Python fanatics, BSD license zealots, PostgreSQL freaks, and, at least in this election cycle, the "anyone but Bush" folks.

        That's not to say that I despise Python, BSD, Postgres, and everyone who prefers someone other than the sitting president. It's just that all four gro

        • "Anyone but Bush" has been fading recently. Nowadays the Bush campaign are the ones more likely to be using the "we aren't ____" argument. The Bush website lately has far more pictures of Kerry on the front page than of Bush, while Bush photos are rare on the Kerry front page.
          • Yes, and it is a good strategy. They've been at it for months. Basically, there are three kinds of voter: those who are for candidate A, those who are for candidate B, and those who are undecided. The first two don't matter. As to the latter group, they already know Bush, and there's frankly little Bush can say good about himself to convince them he is the best candidate. He needs to convince them that Kerry is worse, and he's doing a pretty good job of it.
        • Naomi Klein made a good point [] for the "anybody but Bush" people: basically saying that with any other man in the presidential seat (even with the same ideology), the opposition will less focus on funny bushisms and easy bashing, but on the real problems.
        • That was pretty much my point. I entirely agree that it's poisonous -- it's a shameful way to run a political process and it makes me weep for the future. But saying that "I won't vote for A because I don't like these people associated with A." when there are people like this on all sides of a process that's nececessary to participate in (differentiating it from those crazy open source people) is just sticking your head in the sand.
        • There's a major difference though between techno-zealots and "anything but Bush". Whether you use Python or Perl, BSD or Linux, Pg or MySQL, honestly, at the end of the day, won't make much of a diff to people's lives. Worst case scenario is that a good piece of tech doesn't get enough momentum and dies out. Ok that's sad, and it may be frustrating, but life goes on.

          "Anything but Bush" is just like "anything but Kim Chong-il" or "anything but the Talibans". At some point it just stops mattering wha


          -- Robin Berjon []

          • "Anything but Bush" is just like "anything but Kim Chong-il" or "anything but the Talibans".

            Except for the representative electoral process, the fixed term lengths, the massive federal bureaucracy that usually ignores elections, and the stable transfer of power, yes, they're exactly alike.

            • There are elections in the US? I thought the idea was that one guy got nominated by a bunch of guys themselves nominated.


              -- Robin Berjon []

              • There are elections in the US?

                Yeah, and sometimes the guy that most of us vote for actually wins :-)