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  • I am not sure I am on your wavelength. What is "pitiful" about people in Ohio voting overwhelmingly for Bush? With all the *doom* that was supposed to happen and the relative smoothness of the whole process this time I don't see a bitching point. Except maybe you wanted Kerry to win.
    • Being on TorgoX's wavelength is another thing entirely. :-)

      But I think he's referring to the point that it's being declared a victory when all the votes haven't been counted yet.


      • Kinda like almost every other state, especially California in 2000 when a million or so absentee ballots went uncounted -- primarily votes from members of the military who often overwhelmingly vote Republican and who could have given Bush enough votes to have won the meaningless popular vote as well?

        Someone marked this WONTFIX years ago.

    • My comma in the title is a serial comma, not an appositive comma. But hey, way to be a dick anyway!
    • ...people in Ohio voting overwhelmingly for Bush?

      I know a lead of a hundred-some-odd-thousand votes sounds like a lot, but a 51/49 split is a little too close to 50/50 for me to call it 'overwhelming.'

    • TorgoX's point is straightforward. He doesn't trust the election result because he doesn't trust the election machines from Diebold that were used in the election. So he doesn't think that it is clear that Bush really won.

      Which is a fair point. The count in Ohio was fairly narrowly for Bush. The election machines are not trustworthy. Given the margins, it would not have taken a large fix to have stolen the election. Initial exit polls disagreed with the count. The head of Diebold publically promised
      • I hope that in coming years the people who voted for Bush come to realize the magnitude of how badly he has screwed up

        Then we can "begin the healing", and then get bored with that and quickly move on to some other maniacal Nixon VIIIth. [] And IXth. And so on, with American politics swinging forever between the only two modes it knows: heavily armed backlash, and damage control.

        Good Cop Bad Cop is apparently the name of the game in this country -- and it's a jolly game, full of twists and turns and cloak a

        • Have you ever read Wealth and Democracy []? Based on the timing of the collapse of other world powers, Kevin Phillips projects our economic collapse at around 2015 or so.

          The various negative commentators on Amazon notwithstanding (I wonder how many of them actually read the book), Kevin Phillips clearly did a lot of research. He has a long track record of spotting political trends well before others do. (Both Nixon and Clinton credited him with the election strategy that brought them the presidency!)

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          • There are many depressing things about the idea of India and China having any reach beyond their own borders. And they have no pie.