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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • ...would be to get a professional designer to create a real logo and a site template, imo this is long overdue.
    And by professional designer i mean someone prominent, like Jon Hicks.
    • The logo we already have. The onion can be used really well and in different ways.

      It's the site template, done in a way that we people making up new perl.org/cpan.org websites can easily integrate, that we badly need.

        • Most of Andy's changes were meaningless cosmetic changes, and I simply don't care about that, and don't have the time to give to shepherding through things that to me are unimportant. I have too many actually important things to ignore! I know a lot of you care deeply about how shiny a web page is. I am not one of these people. I don't apologize for it, and I find it odd that your perception of the site would be so drastically impacted by that.

          As to the lack of news that Alias mentioned, I've many times

          • Oh and BTW, I think Andy's changes mostly look good, I am not attacking him or them; I am just saying it's something I don't have the time to care about.

              • Perhaps. As noted, right now the code on this site is a bit behind. I am planning on updating it soon, within the next few weeks. I would be open to pure CSS+images changes. Unlikely I'll be too interested in code/HTML changes, as those tend to take up a lot of time, but you never know.

            • You appear to be trying to criticize me, but I don't think you actually are.

                • Nope, you've confirmed I was right all along. You were not, in fact, criticizing me. You were trying to, but you did not. You think it is a criticism of me that I don't care about such things. It's not. You think that the fact that I don't care about such things means I "have my head up my ass." You are wrong.

                  I could, of course, say the exact same thing to you, from my perspective: anyone who thinks a "shiny" web page makes a lick of difference, and actually cares about such things, has his head up hi

  • I whole heartedly agree that the websites for the CPAN Testers family has been in need of a complete overhaul for sometime. I have asked occasionally of designers I know for some ideas, but so far nothing has stood out. The Wiki was my rework of an OSWD [oswd.org] template, which originally was intended to be the first branding of the CPAN Testers websites, with the others using the same layout, but different colours. However, I didn't think it suited the other sites.

    The current CPAN Testers Reports site makes use of

    • Actually having a quick look this morning, there is a recently uploaded design to OSWD that fits very well. Clean, professional and functional. I'll have a go at reworking for CPAN Testers :)

  • Given the astonishingly large amount of blog software that is written in Perl, I find it astonishing that no Perl blogging companies, and no Perl blog system authors have managed to find the time to make a best-of-breed blog.perl.org.

    I was astonished by that too. But having prodded round the edges of the problem, it seems to me that no Perl blogging engine is up to the job.

    If anyone reading this thinks I'm talking nonsense and would like to prove me wrong, then please get in touch.

      • but what about Movable Type?

        That's exactly what I thought. I tried. It didn't work.

        I'm hoping that this discussion will flush out an MT expert who will be able to show me where I went wrong.

          • Oh it installs just fine. I'm really happy with MT. I run many blogs on it.

            But this was the first time that I had tried to set up a multi-blog installation. I assumed that it would all just work out of the box, but it didn't.

            There are a couple of discussions that I had on the MT forum here [movabletype.org] and here [movabletype.org].

            There was a new release a couple of weeks ago, so I might see if I can find the time to try again over the next week or so.

            Oh, and by the way, I run all of my MT installations on 1&1 servers. Not sure why you

              • I don't think you need shell access to set up MT, but I've always done it using shell access so I could be wrong there.

                I have a root server with them. I can't imagine running web sites on a server that I didn't have full control over :-)

                  • MT bundles all of the CPAN modules that it needs. So if you can FTP a directory tree into your web space then you're all set. All of the set-up and configuration is now run through a (very nice) web-based system.

                    I have a Value Server [1and1.co.uk] from 1&1. It costs me GBP 30/month and I happily run about a dozen [mag-sol.com] domains on it.

      • it needs buy-in from the appropriate people

        Which also means some technical constraints*, because it has to be able to run on the existing hardware budget if not the existing hardware, and scale to the size of known traffic peaks. Yes, these sites can end up on the front page of slashdot, so the "static" pages better not be making umpteen calls to a database to generate their content.

        * constraints are good. A good artist uses constraints to channel their creativity and inspire them. Well, that's my story an

          • I think you're missing the point. Adam is talking about presentation and layout design, not a CMS or whether we're using a flavour of the month framework. Templates and CSS can be integrated into any site. Ruby on Rails largely got peoples attention because the initial websites looked well designed, and had nothing to do with the backend codebase.

            The problem is that many of us are decent coders, and can put together a functional site pretty well. However, we're mostly not website designers and that's what w

                    • I have intended The Perl Beginners' Site [perl-begin.org] to be the (unofficial so far) first-stop for Perl beginners. About two years ago, I've adapted an OSWD template for its look, which should have made it attractive enough. There's still some problem with the testimonials section being lacking, but I plan to correct it when I find some time to dedicate to it.

                      Contributing and building upon Perl-Begin is very easy because the sources are available in a publicly-accessible Subversion repository, and the licence is CC-b

        • Beauty is better than ugly...sometimes.

          Perl is good, the marketing side is ugly as Alias has pointed out.

          To be honest, the glass onion look is a great start in my opinion.

                • Some people say "Perl is dead". If I didn't know where to look, the Web sites I find would imply "Perl is dead". Appearance matters. I think that's what Adam's trying to say. I agree with him 100%.

                  No one is saying we should be Python. No one is saying that we got into this mess intentionally. No one is saying anything other than "our Web sites look amateurish and this has an impact on perception". We do have a perception problem and we need to address it.

    • Yeah, the comment system is astonishingly bad. When I first visited this Web site when I wasn't logged in, I was shocked at how unusable it was. I even switched browsers on the off chance that it was a browser bug. It's not :(

      • Not for nothing, but the comment system works astonishingly well for Slashdot.

    • Is there no other traffic because no one is interested in anything else or because people don't find the site useful?