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  • Israel (Score:3, Insightful)

    Israel is the only country in the world that is able to commit so many atrocities without anybody stopping them.

    Israel is the only country in the world that is not at peace with its neighbors in the region. It is also the only country in the world where its neighbors have tried to annihilate them no less than 4 times in 50 years. It is also the only country in the world where a militant, determined, suicidal terrorist group is adamantly trying to deny its right to exist and actively attempts to kill

    • by TeeJay (2309) on 2003.03.18 16:44 (#18048) Homepage Journal
      Why should I consider any country in comparison to Israel, just because of countries commit atrocities it does not make it OK for israel to do the same.

      There is a long list of countries that commit atrocities against their own and other people : Burma, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, Iraq, The Balkans, Russia, China, North Korea.

      Israel is just another of these countries, and I have singled it out because the technical and international communities seem determined to pretend it isn't happening.

      Where did I say that the situation in Iraq was acceptable? I never have, I have always supported the Iraqi and Kurdish peoples freedom from oppression by both the Turkish and Iraqi Governments. The situation in Iraq is unacceptable - but the situations elsewhere are equally unacceptable including Burma, Tibet and Israel/Palestine.

      Isreal is creating a massive Ghetto in which to starve and desteroy the people of palestine. It is no more fair for helicopter gunships to bomb and rocket Palestinians for the actions of a few extremists than it is fair for those extremists to bomb israeli busses and cafes for the actions of those soldiers.

      The UK has had its share of terrorism, we brought it on ourselves just as Isreal bought the wrath of those it has oppressed and displaced on itself. The difference is that the UK didn't have to kill a hundred people to shut down a bomb factory in ealing (minutes from where I lived at the time) or kill anyone to shut down a ricin factory.

      Israel is the only country that uses such brutal and inhumane repression against innocent people in the name of 'defense'. How does desteroying the homes of bombers, or razing whole towns and their fields provide defense - it is purely to satisfy the racist hatred of Israelis towards the arab nation it displaced.

      Peaceful protestors have been killed by Israel just as they have been in Burma, South Africa, Afghanistan and China. Israels policies are every bit as bad as Apartheid - ask any Muslim or even many christians how they are treated in Israel.

      I think it is very clear that Sharon is determined to build massive ghetto's for palestine just as Hitler and his Nazi party did in Europe. The ethnic hatred and prejudice found in isreal and even in places like slashdot, kuro5hin, irc and use.perl towards palestinians is shocking.

      I have heard people claim on IRC that it is ok to kill innocent Palestinians on the basis that they support their own freedom fighters, or that they are no better than animals. I am shocked that people can claim that is ok to punish the whole of palestine, starving its children, strangling its economy, stopping all trade, aid and UN human rights inspectors because they blew up a few bombs in israel.

      If the UK had the same attitudes to terrorism it would have continued to escalate after 'the troubles' in the 70's but diplomacy and talking has lead to not only a cease-fire but shared government of the region. As long as Israel continues in its path it will bring terror upon itself, and worse it will continue to inflict terror upon the people of palestine regardless of their innocence.

      This was the tit-for-tat escalation that lead to the balkans war, and NATO rightly stepped in - israel should submit to teh UN and allow UN Humran Rights Commission to do its job, cease its building of settlements and destruction of palestine, disarm its nuclear, biological and chemical weapons and admit that it must work with palestine rather than continuing its brutal oppression.

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      • If the UK had the same attitudes to terrorism it would have continued to escalate after 'the troubles' in the 70's but diplomacy and talking has lead to not only a cease-fire but shared government of the region.

        Someone from Northern Ireland (well educated and I believe well informed) said that the real reason that the IRA moved towards a ceasefire had nothing to do with diplomacy. Instead it was because the loyalist terror groups were killing more Catholics than the the IRA was killing Protestants, and w

      • Why should I consider any country in comparison to Israel, just because of countries commit atrocities it does not make it OK for israel to do the same.

        There is a long list of countries that commit atrocities against their own and other people : Burma, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, Iraq, The Balkans, Russia, China, North Korea.

        Israel is just another of these countries, and I have singled it out because the technical and international communities seem determined to pretend it isn't happening.

        If you really

        • I really believe these atrocities are unacceptable anywhere.

          I frequently mention Isreal because it is one of the worst regimes and is under-reported and has so many people trying to excuse it.

          Palestine is now one of the worlds most poverty-stricken areas and isreal actively prevents the UN and Aid agencies doing their jobs.

          Even burma doesn't do that to its people. I haven't mentioned Burma or tibet for a long time because both are moving forward, slowly but still faster than israel.

          I also mention is

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          • I really believe these atrocities are unacceptable anywhere.

            Your incessant chest-beating about Israel, to the exclusion of all other incidents, does not support this statement.

            I also mention isreal because I keep on seeing Jewish, American and Isreali commentators defending it - a very real case of 'the lady doth protest too much'.

            The only case of the lady doth protest too much I see here is your anti-Israel stance cloaked in the garb of general moral outrage. If you were genuinely concerned ab

            • Isreal is one of the worst offendors and unlike many other places where human rights are curtailed it has an elected government - this means people voted for this kind of ghettoisation and deliberate actions against palestine.

              Unlike China, Burma and Iraq where regimes are imposed (often with Western complicity and support) - Isreal chose to follow this course and it is the will of the people making it more like Kosovo and Serbia where Milosovic was elected. Just as Milosovic and Serbia were a problem, so

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              • > This is just not right, and I suppose you know this. In fact, the level of oppression of minorities in Israel is very low, probibly lower than nations such as France, or even America. It certainly comes nothing close, despite being under a 50 year war against it based exclussively on racism in the surrounding Muslim culture, to the systematic rapes of women in Iraq, the massive murder of Jews in Iran, the Cultural Revolution of China which caused nearly 15 percent of the native Chinese population to
              • Isreal is one of the worst offendors and unlike many other places where human rights are curtailed it has an elected government - this means people voted for this kind of ghettoisation and deliberate actions against palestine.>>

                This is just not right, and I suppose you know this. In fact, the level of oppression of minorities in Israel is very low, probibly lower than nations such as France, or even America.

                It certainly comes nothing close, despite being under a 50 year war against it based exclu