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  • than anywhere else. And, really, people should be reminded of the crusades and the inquisition far more often than the Catholic Church currently allows as they were brutal, murderous thugs for almost 100 years. Killing entire races of people for a religion or for an ideology are not terribly different. As a recovering Catholic I can see how someone made that analogy.
    • The difference is that the killing done by the Catholic Church was an anomaly in the history of Catholicism, and altogether antithetical to the modern and original views of the Catholic Church, unlike Nazism, which was founded on the views it killed people over.
      • I know better than to reply....100 years and the crusades before then were not entirely what I would call an anomaly any more than the rather unplanned manner in which the 'final solution' was arrived at by the Nazi's. Extremism tends to make people crazy, moreso when there's religion involved. Perhaps if Hitler had made the Nazi party a religion it might have lasted longer and been thought of us just an anomaly by now.
        • I know better than to reply

          You do?

          100 years and the crusades before then were not entirely what I would call an anomaly

          I realize you wouldn't, but you're hardly impartial.

          Extremism tends to make people crazy, moreso when there's religion involved.

          As evidenced by your extreme attacks on religion.
          • I never said I was impartial. But tell me how the Catholic church gets a pass as an 'anomaly' and forgiveness after centuries of killing people yet the Nazi get the scorn for being monsters. I don't necessarily attack religion, just churches like Catholicism with centuries of death and destruction in their wake.
            • But tell me how the Catholic church gets a pass as an 'anomaly' and forgiveness after centuries of killing people yet the Nazi get the scorn for being monsters.

              I already did. I said it, and then jdavidb reiterated it. So, for the third time: the actions you're referring to are absoultey antithetical to what it means to be a Catholic, what the church was founded on, and what we recognize as Catholicism today.

              And on the other hand, the Holocaust was perfectly in line with Nazism as it was founded, and wh

              • The catholic church was founded much like any other organized religion...it had no loftier goal than to spread their belief and, well before the reformation and the enlightenment, rule countries via leaders and cunning politics. The Nazi's did not run on a platform of killing the infirm, the insane, or genocide, but, then again, they didn't pretend to be on a mission of salvation either. You should read a bit about the Wansee meeting and how it came to be. You might also look into some of the allegations o

                • The catholic church was founded much like any other organized religion...it had no loftier goal than to spread their belief

                  A belief antithetical to what you are decrying, yes.

                  and, well before the reformation and the enlightenment, rule countries via leaders and cunning politics

                  Not at the formation of the church under Peter, no, it had no interest in such things.

                  You should read a bit about the Wansee meeting and how it came to be

                  You should read a bit about the Catholic church and how it came to be
                  • You are misreading what I'm saying and, instead, splitting hairs and introducing things that have nothing to do with the original point of this which was - that organized religion such as the Catholic church and the Nazis share enough in political machinations and killing people to be logically compared. Regardless of the illusion of founding ideals that have plagued so many political bodies such as the church or the nazis, killing those opposed has not been an unusal occurance throughout history and still
                    • You are misreading what I'm saying

                      Example?

                      organized religion such as the Catholic church and the Nazis share enough in political machinations and killing people to be logically compared

                      Only in the same way as the UK and the Nazis can be logically compared, which is not interesting.

                      I'm sure Peter wouldn't be all that approving of molesting little boys which, at least when I was in Catholic school, common

                      Can you honestly not understand the difference between something the church supported (e.g., the
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