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  • Yeah, homeschooling is one of those odd things where both the extreme left and extreme right have a tendency to have common resources and goals. One of my left-ish friends homeschooled his kids, and had lots of conversations with right-ish homeschoolers as well. Interesting.
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    • This is one of the things I really like about homeschooling. There are so many different points of view. As long as all subscribe to the fundamental mantra of homeschooling, in my mind, "Parents are the best judge of how to raise and educate their own children," I appreciate what they are doing and love looking at the diversity for cross-pollination of ideas.

      Somewhere I read somebody saying the tree-huggers (or some similar offensive term for leftist environmentalists) paved the way, the religious funda

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      • Parents are the best judge of how to raise and educate their own children

        And... everyone is above average [freep.com] too.

        On a more serious note, being the best judge of how to do it (which I don't agree with... but let's just pretend for a moment) still doesn't make you the most capable person of doing it.

        I personally will be home schooling my kids... every day after they get home from school. I will add to their learning experience.

        Not shield them from it.

        It seems to me that this is the real purpose for many po
        • I personally will be home schooling my kids... every day after they get home from school. I will add to their learning experience. Not shield them from it.

          How is teaching kids shielding them learning? I could just as easily say, by sending your kids off to school during the day, you are shielding them from opportunties they could otherwise have.

          What your statement assumes is that sending a kid to a school is the best or default way for them to learn these things, or that it is somehow something people
          • How is teaching kids shielding them learning?

            Taking them out of formal school so that they won't experience something (political, religious, social) is the shielding I was referring to.

            The only case I've personally experienced was where someone started home schooling because they didn't want their kid taught evolution.

            If you can't deal with exposing your kid to a theory, you have a serious problem, IMHO. At the very least, teach them to refute the damn thing. But, to completely limit exposure?

            What you
            • I've really got to agree with pudge's case that a lot of school is a waste of time. (He seems to perhaps be saying 100% of school ... I'd have to make the percentage somewhat lower.)

              I have an informal list of "reasons that made it easier for me to choose homeschooling." This list isn't written, yet; it consists of things that I just did not like or do not like about the system of schooling; these are not items that constitute reasons why I am going to homeschool, but things that made it easier for me to

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              • I've really got to agree with pudge's case that a lot of school is a waste of time.

                I would agree. I was bored out of my gourd in high school.

                I rarely did homework... had 18 zeros one quarter in my English Comp. class.

                Still graduated 26th (of ~450) in my class.

                It was a totally horrendous waste of time, in my view, at the time.

                And, I would totally agree that it needs to be imporved.

                BTW, what in this post says anything about shielding kids from evolution?

                Nothing in your post. I brought that up from my own personal experience, to support my point that the parent does not allways know what is best. That is what brought me into the conversation, it was your assertion that the parent knows best. Somehow it became a discussion about the quality of education and the reason for removal from formal school.

                My point on that matter was, and is, that the formal school should be supplemented... not replaced.

                But, my main point, what got me into this quagmire... was that parents aren't always the best judge of what is best for their kids.

                (Did you notice I said my mother is a science teacher?)

                Yes, that is great. And, makes her more qualified than many I would bet.

                I would also bet her skills don't make someone else more qualified... what applies to her doesn't apply globally. Just because she is smarter, does raise the "average"... but does nothing for every other individual.

                Please get the point of my journal entry and drop your negative stereotypes of homeschoolers.

                How can I when my own personal experience directly contradicts something that someone many miles away has typed into some computer screen. I have to give the reality I've seen higher precedence.

                My parents wanted to home school me.

                I'm very lucky that they were not allowed to.

                Why?

                Well... parent #1... let's call her "mom". She was 16 when I was born. The highest level of education attained: eighth grade. She's dead now... drank herself to death.

                Parent #2... let's call him "dad". He was 17 when I was born. He never finished the eighth grade. He quit on the third try. (His sister had her first son when she was 14.) He is still alive, an mostly sober these days.

                Both were / are Baptist. That is spelled "Southern Baptist" where I came from. The only reason I even bring up their religon, is because that is what makes them think they are right. The church, for them, is a crutch to replace logic.

                They didn't like the "stuff" that the schools taught, either. Of course, not having gone themselves they couldn't really use words any more meaningful than "stuff". But, they knew they didn't like it.

                Even tho they don't have the mental capacity to present a cogent argument as to why. The know they don't like it.

                But the government made them leave us in school. Otherwise they wouldn't give them (my parents) food stamps to feed us (the kids).

                I was the first person in my family, since setting foot on this continent, to finish high school. It wasn't because of choices made by my parents.

                Now, twenty two years later... you can count on one hand the number of people in my family (and I don't mean immediate family... I mean the entire family tree... deep, and wide) that have finished high school.

                Parents don't always know what is best. Sometimes, kids do well in spite of everything else that happened. Sometimes.

                And, my parents are typical for the part of the country they live in. (Can you say hillbilly country in good ol' "Alabama".) Granted, it is a pocket... but, it exists and they live there. Actually, I think that the "civilized" parts are the pockets sometimes...

                So, while your story is nice to hear, and most likely true for a large percent of the nation... my point was/is: it isn't always true that parents are the best judge.

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                Please note that I have painfully tried to stay away from saying that one is better than the other (homeschooling vs. formal school). I simply don't think that can be said. Some parents are going to be a lot better than the formal schools around them. Some schools will be better than the parents (even if Pudge won't agree to that).

                I have not been knocking home schooling. (At least I haven't been trying to.) The parents, that is a differnt story... I don't think everyone can or should home school to the exclusion of all other education.

                My point in that respect has been (still is) that a combination of the two is most optimal.