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  • I'm really sorry to hear that, Jonathan!

    While I myself will continue to argue that Perl6 ist vaporware until it is actually released, I will kick people from the Workshop if they attack other people personally.

    I hope the guy will have the balls to publicly apologize to you without any wenn und aber or else I'll try to track him down and refuse to let him attend any further German Perl Workshops.

    Cynic, n.: A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. -- The Devil's Dictionary
    • While I myself will continue to argue that [Perl6] ist vaporware until it is actually released...

      Seriously? New Rakudo [] release next Wednesday, just like every month.

      • You keep saying that [], but I guess what people mean by "Perl6" is not "Something that somebody decided to slap the label 'Perl6' on", or "Some executable named perl6", but something that lives up to the promises made by Damian and others, and the venture into Science Fiction, published by O'Reilly. I guess you will have to put up with telling people that Rakudo is Perl6 even after the release of Duke Nukem Forever.

        I'm still waiting for my flying car.

        • I'm still waiting for my flying car.

          You're no dummy. I know familiar with how community-driven software works. I can't understand where the feeling of entitlement comes from that drives you to complain continually that we haven't somehow magically pooled all of our volunteer time to produce everything what you want on precisely your schedule for exactly the budget you've given us to work with.

          On behalf of every volunteer (such as Allison, Jonathan, Patrick, Larry, Damian, Audrey, and Jerry) who's ac

          • You misunderstand me. I'm not complaining about that Perl6 is not here. The only thing I'm pointing at is your constant railing against such claims as:

            [Perl6] ist vaporware until it is actually released...

            You claim that

            Seriously? New Rakudo release next Wednesday, just like every month.

            as if that were any indication to that Perl6 were actually "done" in any way.

            The progress that has been made in the last few years is amazing, but Perl6 is in no way "done" or "ready". Rakudo has a long way to go to come near the promises that were made for Perl6. Until it comes close to them, you will have to live with people saying that Perl6 is Not There even though you put out a binary named perl6 every month. Of course, you are free to release a new vision statement that restates that the current release of Rakudo is what Perl6 is all about, and that all the hopes that people put into Perl6 are just projections and never were backed by any substance. And in many ways, I think that Perl6 is/was too many things to too many people, and the imaginary feature set has grown too big for reality and Rakudo to sustain. In that sense, it is very good that the team is releasing alpha builds for the interested to inspect. But again, claiming that these releases were anything like the mental image the people have dreamed up and the machinery has created over the years is misleading or misunderstanding the people. The term "Rakudo" is a good way to differentiate the two, the feature set of Perl6 and the current beta release, available as a binary. But still, that doesn't offer you any way to bridge the disconnect between the hype/ideas of Perl6 in other people's minds and your image of Rakudo-reality.

            I think you also misunderstood my closing comment

            I'm still waiting for my flying car

            It was meant as a reminiscence on how the future, as depicted in silly science fiction novels, did not live up to its hype, or rather, turned out vastly different from what the authors envisioned and wrote down.

            I'm trying to communicate to you the disconnect people perceive between Rakudo and Perl6, and that I get the feeling that you see the two as identical. Having Rakudo is a step towards Perl6, but having Rakudo does in no way change the vaporware of Perl6, until the promised feature set of Perl6 (wherever that lives nowadays, maybe still in the exegeses, apocalypses and whatnot?) is implemented in it.

            On the topic of helping, I'll make you an offer - you stop claiming that The Emperor's New Perl6 is "here now", and I stop pointing out how I don't see it.

            • Rakudo does in no way change the vaporware of [Perl 6]...

              The fact that multiple implementations exist and people can use them (hey, I wrote working Perl 6 code two and a half year ago) doesn't mean that the software actually exists outside of a hidden code repository that no one outside of the company can see or even outside the minds of the marketing department?

              If you downloaded and build Rakudo right now, you might see that it supports features natively that Perl 5 doesn't have.

              If you want to rede

              • I wrote working Perl6 code two years and 10 months ago myself [], thank you. But that does not mean that the then implementation of Perl6 included any features that differentiated Perl6 from Perl5.

                If you get all sorts of righteous indignation knotted up inside when the people actually doing the work to make all of these lovely features exist start saying "Hey, this part works now, and we release a new stable version every month in case you don't want to check out trunk continually," well, that's one sort of

                • You can have as many Rakudo releases as there are months in the year, but that doesn't mean anything in the progress of [Perl 6].

                  I only responded to quote that sentence. You, sir, left me speechless. Few people do.