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  • The use.perl server really needs to get more reliable before this ajax stuff will be usable. The frequent connection timeouts make it impractical.
    • Maybe it's you? I have very rare timeouts.
        • Those connection issues were two months ago. I know the site can be slow occasionally, and during code refreshes we can be down of course, but I've noticed no significant connection issues recently.
          • What irks me personally is that the entire eight hundred sixty kilobytes YUI albatross is loaded every other time I visit even though I have disabled the Slash Ajax stuff in my prefs.

            I know I can check the box to enable the Ajax UI on any page I look at, should I ever change my mind, and that the Ajax UI then immediately starts working, which means some Javascript is needed. But you’re loading jQuery as well anwyay, which is tiny and perfectly servicable for loading extra libraries on demand. It sho

            • What irks me personally is that the entire eight hundred sixty kilobytes YUI albatross is loaded every other time I visit ...

              Then stop clearing your cache! And use a browser that handles compression.

              ... even though I have disabled the Slash Ajax stuff in my prefs

              No, you don't. You have Discussion 2 disabled. That's only one specific thing that uses Ajax on the site

              ... you're loading jQuery as well anwyay ...

              As of a couple of weeks ago.

              It should be easy to load YUI via jQuery, and to make that conditional on whether the Ajax UI is enabled.

              We don't use YUI for Ajax.

              Actually, we don't even use YUI for any of Discussion 2.

              You make some valid points, but you really don't know the code nearly well enough to be making the assertions you do.

              • I may not know how Slashcode works, but I am no web dev greenhorn. I know what can be done in HTML with and without Javascript, and the interface I do actually use is trivial to implement without any use of Javascript whatsoever, let alone Ajax. If there are still Ajax features somewhere, they are utterly wasted on me, and so is the site’s bandwidth and mine.

                As for the browser cache:

                1. Sorry, but it’s finite. I would like to increase it since I have disk space to spare, but disk cache lookup does not appear to scale tolerably to the GB range in any of the browsers I’ve tried – and with 90 tabs being open routinely (with quite some churn), the 50MB I’ve granted Firefox are pretty tight.

                2. There’s no Expires header in sight when I request those URIs (despite the query string fudging). So the browser is at least going to keep checking whether the files have changed, anyhow.

                • I am no web dev greenhorn

                  I didn't imply otherwise. Indeed, I directly limited my claim of what you don't know to Slash, and I noted that you made valid points, but that they didn't apply as you asserted.

                  If there are still Ajax features somewhere, they are utterly wasted on me

                  Of course, you don't actually know that. And again, you also don't understand YUI very well since you seem to think it is primarily about Ajax. As to what YOU think is trivial to implement, I am uninterested in knowing.

                  I would like to increase it since I have disk space to spare ...

                  That is your choice.

                  There's no Expires header in sight when I request those URIs

                  Yes. There doesn't need to be. We use Cache-Control/max-age. Now, that is not there e

                  • So how about giving an example of how a feature I use requires YUI stuff, instead of skirting the matter with “you don’t know what it’s for” hints?

                    Here’s a summary of how I use the site: I read the site mainly via several search.pl feeds, and hit the site in the browser only to read comments, which I’ve set to nested mode, and to leave comments, which I do via the Reply links that lead me to a page with a very plain HTML form. None of these interactions happen without a

                    • So how about giving an example of how a feature I use requires YUI stuff
                      /me mumbles something about pearls before swine
                    • Right, I shouldn’t have expected an actual, straight answer. So, I’ve blocked images.use.perl.org and cleared my cache. Nothing appears to have broken, other than missing stylesheet.

                      But I’m sure there’s something I need YUI for that I don’t know anything about.

                    • Right, I shouldn’t have expected an actual, straight answer
                      Correct. When you act like I owe you something, you get nothing.
                    • Well, use.perl is where the community is, so I have to put up with Slashcode. I suppose that given sufficient effort, the resultant complaints can be interpreted as a sense of entitlement; refusing to address any of the actual issues is then a reasonable response.

                    • Well, use.perl is where the community is, so I have to put up with Slashcode
                      And I have to put up with you. I think I got the worse of the bargain.
                    • Such is the curse of success.