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  • And Perl 6 has just come too late to save the day.

    Can I borrow your time machine? I have two business plans that require backwards time travel. While I'm there, I might as well release a version of Perl 6.

    • Hello chromatic

      It might be because I am not a native english speaker but I think I don't understand the meaning of your comment. Anyway, since it sounds sarcastic, I could hazard a reply.

      I don't mean to offend anybody, nor I want to denigrate the work that many people are donating to the project.

      Nevertheless, during these seven years Perl has lost a lot of audience, that's the real thing. And even if Perl6 came out today it is not going to regain it all. It will retain the current audience of Perl5, and may
      • You sound /very/ negative, but popularity comes and goes in waves (for all things, not just programming fads).

        That suggests to me that Perl (6) can - but not necessarily will, of course - return to maximum popularity. One day.

        When it is finally 'released' (define 'released'!) will be the time to promote it like mad, not before.

        After all, it's not designed to be a success today, is it? It's going to be our platform for years to come. Right now I have no intention of using/struggling with it. I can wait. I ju
      • Nevertheless, during these seven years Perl has lost a lot of audience, that's the real thing.

        How do you measure that?

        And even if [Perl 6] came out today it is not going to regain it all. It will retain the current audience of [Perl 5], and maybe gain some more, but the old times are gone. Definitely.

        How do you measure that? Perl 6 isn't out yet. If it's not going to be successful, I want to know so I can stop wasting my time.

        If you think it won't succeed, that's fine, and we can discuss that o

        • Hello chromatic

          Yes: I think that Perl6 is not going to gain a sensitive audience compared to what Perl5 has. That's what I wrote, it's my own, personal opinion, and in fact it is in my blog on FSM (no, it was not an article).

          Let me stress again that I am not scorning what you and other people are doing to make Perl6 finally dock. Being into the "free software movement" (for whatever it means) for many years I know that people does what they can, when they can, and unless some "external intervention" comes u
          • I'm trying to understand your argument. Emerging languages -- that is, languages released after Perl 5 -- are more popular than established languages and are crowding them out. No matter how new or different Perl 6 is from Perl 5, it will always be an established language and can never hope to be more popular than Perl 5 because it can never be an emerging language.

            Do I have your argument correct, or am I missing something?

            • Hello chromatic

              thanks for asking. No, I am not saying that.

              Let's take Java, for example.

              What I am saying, and that's just my personal opinion, is that Perl6 should have come before to better compete with, say, Java.

              One thing was trying to compete with Java 7 years ago, now it's a different matter. In the last 7 years Java has heavily deepened its roots into the ground, and it looks difficult to me for Perl6 to erode a sensitive portion of Java's user base.

              Different reasons apply to other languages (e.g.: wi
              • Okay, I'm glad you asked.

                I don't speak for @Larry, but I don't care about eroding any of Java's user base with Perl 6. Not at all.

                The way I figure it, there are at most a few dozen million existing programmers in the world, and they all have their own preferences for language and language family and platform and all of that. That's fine. They can use what they prefer and it doesn't really affect me.

                I care a lot more about the six billion non-programmers, specifically about making a good language th