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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • Cobol returned 1287 hits, more than some of the other languages you showed there. Does that mean Cobol is "alive"? I wouldn't say so. Not in any "community enthusiasm" or "upcoming features" sort of way.

    And, as others have pointed out, Perl is usually an auxiliary, not primary, job skill that employers are looking for. I think I see it listed for just about every sys admin position, for example.

    Now, before anyone gets their Perl Panties in a bunch, I'm not suggesting that Perl is anywhere near where Cobol is today, but I think it's safe to say (in that anecdotal sort of way that chromatic hates) that the enthusiasm for it is in decline. Whether or not Perl 6 can reverse that trend remains to be seen.

    • I think it's safe to say (in that anecdotal sort of way that chromatic hates) that the enthusiasm for it is in decline.

      That depends on your definition of "safe". If you mean "here is a stack of statistics and here is the research methods and raw data", then we agree on the word safe. If you mean "two 14 year olds emo kiddies with stupid pointy-in-the-middle haircuts and eyeshadow knocked on my door to try to sell me on DHHism, and no one's done that for Perl in a couple of years, but I leave the proof

    • Does that mean Cobol is "alive"? I wouldn't say so

      Actually, I wouldn't call in Father Murphy to give COBOL [google.com] its last rites just yet. And if COBOL's survivability concerns you a great deal, you may want to withdraw all your funds from the bank, as much of them are still managed by COBOL based systems. Not to mention how much of your government may be dependent on it.

      I'm also a bit puzzled by those that seem to demand a level of data cleansing of the Perl numbers that isn't required of any of the other

      • Oh, I'm well aware that COBOL will probably be around long after I'm retired. But then, I'm talking about community vitality. There's really nothing to look forward to with COBOL beyond a paycheck. They still teach COBOL in the US Military, btw.

        Regarding the data cleansing, I think it's a fair question to ask for any language that's often used in an auxiliary role. If you want verifiable data I guess you would have to analyze the job descriptions. Personally, I think jobs.perl.org is a better (or at least

        • om Copeland recently blogged that RubyForge had over 20,000 registered users. By comparison I count only 6148 on CPAN...

          To paraphrase Sam Tregar, that's kind of an Apples to Oranges [perl.org] comparison (even with your followup correction).

          • Hah, fair enough. I'm not sure how you count the total number of Perl devs who contribute to Perl libraries but aren't listed. It's probably impossible without manually checking README and/or CHANGES files.

            I've been doing some more number crunching for both CPAN and RubyForge, and it's been an interesting exercise. I'm going to save the results for an independent blog post. However, I'll leave you with this hypothesis:

            The existence of a collaborative development environment for a given programming langu

            • Does "collaborative development environment" include IRC, mailing lists, and Usenet or is it solely the purview of web fora?

              I'm curious to see your research and conclusions, but the CPAN predates SourceForge. In my mind, that's an important distinction between collaborative Ruby and collaborative Perl development. (I might also suggest that Ruby's main driver skews a lot of new Ruby developers toward the web, where even Perl 5's various waves of popularity included a lot of system administrators who did